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Just had a quick look through my Warwickshire Yearbooks to see when the last time we lost v Worcestershire in the CC and I think it was a 2nd Division game - in 2000.

Where is all the rain at Worcester that we have had in Halesowen which is not that far away. I do not want to lose to this lot, it has been so long since we lost to them in a CC game, that I cannot even remember when it was.

Agree, he was an absolute diamond, wanted to play in all the games and trained like mad to make himself the first name on the team sheet. I voted for him as our best overseas player ever and although I loved AD, Jeetan was more successful because we were very successful during his playing years. We did get lucky though with him because New Zealand refused to pick him so he was available all the time. We also appear to be unlucky in getting players from other counties recently and obviously I am not including OHD, Barnard, Rhodes or Burgess in that as they took over from Clarke, Chopra, Ambrose, Rankin, Wright, etc.

I know what you mean, it might not be anything major, just maybe a series of things which keep repeating themselves. For instance in this latest game, we had them 67-4 and they get 307, we were 76-1 and are now 112-4. It is because we have seen it so many times over the last 3 seasons (including this one) and it gets to be a little bit annoying to the point that you wonder, if you like me, are a member, is it worth renewing for the 2025 season. The combination of performance and the feeling that sometimes it is frustrating to see the same mistakes being made over and over and that the management appear to not address it or make excuses, the old "We will take the positives...." baloney. There are certain things we haven't got but would like, 1. A couple of big nasty fast bowlers who can wipe out the tail 2. A good, reliable overseas player who will stay for a decent length of time to make a difference 3. Batting that is consistent in most games 4. the ability to win knock-out games. The first one might be the hardest but surely the second can not be that hard. The third one, well, we have the batsmen so it is up to them and the forth one is just about lifting yourself for the whole occasion and pushing yourself that bit extra to get over the line, maybe it's not even that as Friday's game should have been won without raising a sweat. Perhaps all this could be changed by new management but sometimes at this club, it is easier to keep your job than lose it. I think enthusiasm goes once you have nothing to play for as far as winning a cup is concerned. I just want us to avoid going down and for the season to be over soon.

This is getting annoying now, another case of us not wiping out the tail quickly enough.

Hardly worth him coming back, must have been a decent payday and that's it. Never seemed to have his heart in it all those years ago and it appears to not have changed.

Having a stronger South group than the North makes no difference as plenty of side have won the T20 whilst scraping through (We had to rely on Notts beating Yorkshire to get through in 2014 and won it) and they manage it in the 50-over cup, you just qualify if you are in the top 3 of each group.

I was more angry, all the hard work again only to be knocked out. That is why I always think it should be the same way as the 50-over cup, if you top your group, you go straight into the semi-final rather than lose because of one game against a team who scraped through in their group. Either way, it's infuriating but most people on here are fed up with the team selection which looks amateurish at best, not covering all basis and just seemingly hoping to win rather than putting out a team that would be hard to beat. Lots of reasons for Friday apart from team selection, trying to keep clearing a long boundary and being caught inside, panicking because we scored hardly anything from the first 3 overs and unprofessionally trying to get the total with time to spare instead of just knocking it around seeing as the rate wasn't even high, the fact that we lost without being bowled out is ridiculous in the face of 139. The amount of red-faced fury from fans as I left the ground was too many to count with shouts of "Every *** year", "Against a poor side like that", "Is this the best a club of our size and stature can do". I understood it all and I was one of those shouters.

Quite what I said when all the names for The Hundread came about, how many Lancashire fans who come from Blackburn or Preston, will want to associate themselves with a team called Manchester, the same as a team called 'Oval invincible's' will hardly be followed by fans of Essex or Middlesex. I think there was talk at the time of people from Warwick, Coventry and other parts of Warwickshire, feeling they were discarded from the conversation, a case of "Here you are, here is what we are giving you as a name, like it or lump it".

Glouc only had a 'Together' team because they are, no one really picks their players for Lions or Hundread teams because they are just journeymen, which makes our insipid performance even worse. No one said the name of the club is to blame but it is changing things from whatever means you have to just to try start fresh and it was stupid at the time in most peoples eyes and no one thinks any differently. What annoys me and probably many others is not being able to get big names in from overseas or players who do things in other T20 competitions. Did anyone know who Foulkes, Rae, Garton or any of the other player who comes in, is. If all the management were doing, was trying to build a T20 winning side, surely they can come up with tried and trusted players and look at overseas leagues to see who is making waves consistently. When we bring someone in, it's Moeen Ali who has been doing nothing in T20 leagues all around the world and at international level, made people scratch their heads at his inclusion. Only briefly has he made a difference and even if he goes missing for the Hundread, is he really good value for all other forms. Gleeson, his first-class record is good, has no one ever considered him for a CC game or two.

I have to cringe whilst reading the comments Davies made after the ridiculous and at times, 'Stupid' performance last night. You can go around praising the opposition captain but the actual team selection has to be right. On what basis was Garton picked, he has had more games than wickets in T20 and an economy rate of 9, is not going to make other counties bang at the door and yet WE decided he was good enough and at number 7, he is not worthy of that position, when we won it in 2014, our 6-9 in the order were Woakes, Javid, Ambrose and Patel. Yes we were blessed with such a side but Garton has obviously not recovered from that dreadful game v Worcestershire and here he was at the expense of Barnard and at 6, we had a player who has done nothing all tournament, so I ask anyone, why can't they see what we can see. What is it about getting a left-arm bowler into the side, he should not be picked on variation, but whether or not he is any good. I would sooner have been drubbed by a Somerset or Surrey side who at least have good players but not being able to chase less than 7 an over to beat that lot, very embarrassing. I nearly bought a ticket for the final in between innings, thank God my phone lost charge or I could be in possession of a ticket I really don't want.

It has been 11 years with this silly name and it took bloody ages to get the club to put 'Warwickshire County Cricket Club' on the front of the building after myself and no doubt others kept on at the club to do something as 'Edgbaston' on the front, did not say who played there. Imagine if Manchester United didn't have their name on the front of their stadium and it just said 'Old Trafford', would the fans put up with that, no they would not and now we have our name on the front of our stadium, time to stop this city nonsense and maybe call ourselves Warwickshire Bears for the T20. We appear to be going backwards and good recruitment is massively important, the side from 2008-2017 was built on getting players from other counties who hadn't realised their full potential and became better once we got hold of them, Ambrose, Clarke, Rankin, Chopra, Botha and even Patel was an off-key choice with poor figures until he played more and then became the best county spinner around. What has gone so wrong that we are recruiting very ordinary players.

Agree with Bosworth, get this Birmingham crap out of existence. Other defeats have been poor like last seasons but this is the worst, at least last year, Essex had good players but this lot we lost to tonight, I will instantly forget by next week. When the draw came up a few weeks ago, I thought that this should have been easy and well, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, are you reading this Robinson because you should be hearing what we are saying. We see it and and it hurts so why can't he. Rhodes did nothing wrong in T20 and now he will be consigned to a part of our history and Barnard has been treated poorly as has Burgess whilst Benjamin has stayed in the side for no reason other than he can keep wicket but so can Burgess and couldn't have done any worse than Benjamin. If the management piss off anyone else, they might find more people moving on.

What words to use, 'weak', 'Insipid' or just good old 'Useless'. 139 and we couldn't even do that. And yet again (I seem to say this far too often) we lower ourselves to the level of a county with basic club bowlers, medium paced trundlers and spinners who cannot turn it an inch. Do we fit into our pre-season schedule, a few games against this type of side who have bowlers, none of whom would get into our side and yet we make them look like Malcolm Marshall's and Shane Warne's. I cannot remember a weaker chase in a one-day game than this in my 35 years as a member and even before then when all counties picked the same side as the CC. Why did we look so nervous and jittery when chasing such a small total, the bowlers must be thinking that they might as well have conceded 238 after their hard work in getting it back from 51-0(5) and I wouldn't want to be in that dressing room. I think we should have batted first and was surprised as we always look better when we set a score and squeeze a side with spin but that is such a low score that I cannot think we have failed to chase a smaller total since this competition started in 2003.

Thanks 'Inside-edge', I did look back and see his figures, 9.3 isn't brilliant but if you consider the people who go crazy over the overrated Chris Jordan (4-0-57-0 in Surrey's Q-F) who's overall economy is 8.6 during his career, that is only 2.8 runs per over worse in a 4 over spell and I would prefer Miles to Garton just in case he goes to pieces like he did v Worcestershire. Our main problem in quarter-finals has been not making enough runs when batting and if we bat first, we have got to post a good score, yes, it sounds obvious, but we have blown it before and been 20-25 runs short.

Miles seems to be out of favour with so many but he has had some good games. It seems such a long time ago since the group stages finished that I cannot recall his final figures for the group stages overall. Spin seems to have been our strength so that will definitely be what we go with so how about 4 overs each of Ali, Briggs, Lintott, Bethell and Mousely.

I am confidant that we will get the win. I think even just 2 wickets this morning will still see Kent about level and I do not think their tail is that inspiring.

The Finch one looked bad but in real time, what is an umpire supposed to do, it looked like it came off his bat, the fielders all went up in unison and I think most umpires would have given that, no DRS in the CC. The Bell-Drummond one I think was out, I have played it back a few times and as a bowler, you would want that. It pitched in line, it was no way pitching outside leg and not as bad as some I have seen us get at The Oval. We have had some crap luck this season with call-ups from the Hundread and we have more bonus points than anyone which suggests we have not really been outplayed by other sides but as has been said, pitches have not deteriorated that much and so the Essex and Somerset games, we had to have a 4th innings to bowl at if we want to win games and it was just a case of 'Good batting pitch, good batting conditions' and we might have done the same if we had chased.

Are we going to regret not playing a specialist spinner, at this stage of the season, I bet not many teams have done the same as we have.

I think we would all say that he was discarded very quickly from the T20 side a few seasons ago for no particular reason seeing as he can bowl as well but with a lot of our success in T20 in the last 2 seasons being with playing a few spinners, he wasn't really allowed to fit in but if you consider the 'Benjamin-why-not-Burgess' scenario, the management thinking hasn't always been very wise anyway.