BosworthBear wrote:

I don't know how easy it would be to sort but Mickey Arthur and Ian Bell would come over like a shot!

They are exactly what we need.

We are going backwards under Robinson. He must go.
Also, and I ask this question every year, why is Tony Frost still batting coach? Year after year our batsmen show no signs of improvement and consistently fail. He must go too.
Our much heralded director of cricket, Larsen needs to earn his money and take swift action for the long term good of the club.
I'm looking forward to Robinson's post match take. After last week's disaster he was saying we would put it right at the Oval and be "in the mix" for the title. The man is deluded.

What an abject display from start to finish.

A 34 year old batsman with an FC average of 30 recruited from division two as our mediocre season peters out. Shows where we are as a squad.
It had been plainly obvious we needed to recruit a couple of quality top/middle order batsmen over the winter, which we failed to do and look where it has got us.
The situation reminds of where we were at in 2019 when after a few injuries to the bowling unit we had to get three out of favour players to fill in on loan at Kent. Remember Toby Lester, Ben Mike and James Wainman? I can't see Surrey doing that! Desperate times.

paulbear wrote:

With Brookes, the talk was always about his 'Potential'. How long does potential last because it seems to me he has moved backwards to the point that surely the management will say, "What have we got to do to get him to be consistent and an automatic choice". Even if you kept him for just 50 over games and T20, his economy rate does not justify it.

Brookes looks like he lost a few mph after that bad injury and pace was his best attribute. Line and length is all over the place. The captain doesn't really want to throw him the ball because the batsmen can score freely.
Unless our new-ish bowling coach can work wonders its best for everyone if he moved on to a second division county. He did quite well at Derby on loan.

Henry Brookes 3 overs for 25. Well bowled.

Andy wrote:

Cant recall Surrey having an exceptional amount of white ball success and i think we've won the County Championship twice since Notts last won it. Think Essex have probably had more recent success than both to be fair.

We got Barnard in, other counties were interested. Rushworth got his contract at Durham torn up to come here. Moeen came here, other counties were interested. A very attractive offer got put Saqib Mahmoods way, he chose to stay at Lancs, that ain't on us. All within the past 12 months. We got Alex Davies in the season prior, other counties were in for him.

We recruit heavily in comparison to most other counties and we're still losing cup games so what is it?

We certainly don't have a predominantly "homegrown" squad.

The likes of Pennington, Haynes and Tongue (he'll be on the treatment table a lot, in fact he is right now) being Bears players wouldnt have changed today's result.

We have had to recruit heavily in recent years out of necessity due to the management neglecting to gradually replace an ageing squad.
It appears Davies was offered a leadership role in addition to a good salary, so that may have swung that one. Moeen was only ever going to join one county and we've hardly seen him anyway. Rushworth turned out to be a coup and I admit I was sceptical about that one.
More recruitment is needed because our best XI and those in reserve are not quite good enough right now.

Norwell's long term prospects must be in doubt. Will he ever get back to the level he was at before this injury? I sincerely hope so because he is such an asset when fit.
We really need to recruit a top quality batsman and front line bowler if we are to challenge next season. Possibly a spinner too.

UrsaMinor wrote:

I suppose I'm being hopelessly naive but is it in order to ask why we were playing a Cup semi-final on a used wicket that even the opposition knew would be difficult to bat on? Is this another example of just where Warwickshire cricket sits in the "Edgbaston" priorities?

Questions need to be asked about the wicket we prepared. The toss should provide a slight advantage but not determine the outcome to such an extent.

After today it is clearly time for Robinson to go. Who do we think should be his replacement? Allan Donald for me.

mad wrote:

The fall out from today could be massive. I know all this will have perhaps been sorted already but it will come to a head today.
OHD off to Pears perhaps Rhodes relinquishing the captaincy, what of Briggs and Burgess?

I think today is a watershed moment for some of the squad.
It would be a travesty to lose OHD, especially to the Pears.
All captains have a shelf life and Rhodes has surely reached the end of his, although we haven't got a natural leader ready to step in.
Burgess I'm not fussed if he wants to go elsewhere, his form with the bat has been underwhelming.
Briggs isn't the force of old so maybe we look to recruit a quality spinner from elsewhere. Not sure who though.
I'd also like to see Miles and H Brookes moved on if possible, as neither are good enough if we want to win things.

Andy wrote:

KingofSpain wrote:

meashambear wrote:

ExiledBrummie wrote:

Not just the management etc, I do wonder if some of our players are just not as good as we think they are. For example, Hain aside would you ever trust any of our batters in a tough situation? We need better quality/attitude.

Yes, I agree but that too comes down to the management as it is them that recruit & hand out the contracts. Cricket has a much smaller pool of players and clubs than football but if the coach & DOF (and therefore should know the players characters well enough)at one of the biggest clubs in the country were constantly getting hammered when in the knock out stages of competitions they would be out on their backsides. This is not good enough for Warwickshire.

Bears fans deserve better. We are a test match ground county and are always outbid on the recruitment front by the likes of Notts and Surrey.

And I bet we've had more success than both in the past 10 years. How do you know we get "outbid" for the players those counties recruit? Do we really want to be poachers like Notts?

Whenever a good player becomes available and multiple counties are interested, 9 times out of 10 they go elsewhere. I think we should be looking to recruit the best talent, regardless of whether it is defined as "poaching".
It is hardly a badge of honour to have a squad who are classed as 'homegrown' if they continually fail in knockout cricket and don't have that elite winning mentality.
For the record, in the last 10 years Notts have won 4 white ball trophies to Warwickshire's 2. Surrey are about to win their third county championship in 5 years.

mad wrote:

Any more making the short trip over from Warwicks?

Henry Brookes can go with his brother. He might fare better there under the guidance of Alan Richardson.

meashambear wrote:

ExiledBrummie wrote:

Not just the management etc, I do wonder if some of our players are just not as good as we think they are. For example, Hain aside would you ever trust any of our batters in a tough situation? We need better quality/attitude.

Yes, I agree but that too comes down to the management as it is them that recruit & hand out the contracts. Cricket has a much smaller pool of players and clubs than football but if the coach & DOF (and therefore should know the players characters well enough)at one of the biggest clubs in the country were constantly getting hammered when in the knock out stages of competitions they would be out on their backsides. This is not good enough for Warwickshire.

Bears fans deserve better. We are a test match ground county and are always outbid on the recruitment front by the likes of Notts and Surrey.

Robinson has taken us as far as he can I'm afraid. He needs to go at the end of the season. I would also jettison Rhodes and bring in a quality middle order batsman who can captain.

That batting display was frankly embarrassing.

Was reported to be dead by Henry Olonga. Thankfully he is still alive.

Davies will be the subject of more discussion after making just 2 off 5 balls.

Mikkyk wrote:

I've not watched any of today, but looking at the scorecard they were 200-6 after 42.5 overs, and finished on 275 - how did that happen?

They certainly had three big double figure overs off Lintott, OHD and H Brookes.

Still no Country Membership option. Shame.