Why has Norwell got a sore back? Rhodes won the toss again, would it have made a difference if Yorkshire had batted first, we will never know but coin tosses are seemingly not our skipper's thing this season.

At that rate, they will want him a lot more injury or no injury, well done to him.

Watched every ball today and was very impressed with the attitude of not being worried if runs don't come quickly. It pays off in the end if you back your technique and it was good to see us keep Northants in the field looking frustrated like we were for 5 sessions. Thought they overbowled Kerrigan who just looked frustrated and pretty knackered by the end of it. Hain was superb and it took me back to the title winning afternoon, holding the trophy with him, a really great bloke and so happy for him to dig in and bat all day.

No one would want to rush Bethell but at some point he will feel he is good enough to play in the first team if his record is good and he is not being picked, at what point does he feel frustrated enough to look elsewhere.

That is the problem with having a few talented but very young players. When do you give then their chance and even though you don't want them to go to another county, if you loan them out and they do well, that county might want to keep them. If that ends up being the case, you cannot blame a youngster if he sees a chance to play first team cricket and wants to move. I have heard a lot of good things about him from all sorts of people who have seen him and you get the feeling that if he was from India/Pakistan, he would get more of a chance.

I think/hope there will be and Norwell must surely play and a lot of talk before/during this game as to why he wasn't in this game as he was in the squad. Miles look uninspiring again and I am not sure what the batting line up should be as so many are not really in form, we can't possibly drop 3 so perhaps 1 might miss out.

coolerking wrote:

I'm talking about the determination to stay in, to put away the flashes outside off stump, the aimless waft at a leg side delivery, to say to the bowlers 'you're going to have to get me out here, I'm not giving it away'. I've not see a lot of that from some of our batters this season. If they get a jaffa then fair enough but if any of them get out to a brainless shot I'll be fuming.

I agree, from this point on, there is nothing to gain by throwing the bat and hoping that because it looks a good strip to bat on, that this will be enough. I hope the batsmen are saying to themselves, "This is a good pitch to bat on and I will not have a better chance to score a ton with nothing for us to gain in terms of chasing runs or trying to get bonus points". Pity that no one told Davies who seems to play one way and yet took ages to get off the mark v Essex when we needed just over a hundred.

I don't recall anyone saying that we will make it look like a minefield. They have no Sanderson who is by far their best bowler and looking at the rest, we should be able to make runs on this pitch. It's all about patience and with it still being hot and dry, it would be nice if we make Northants chase the ball around the outfield.

Glad I decided not to go as 600 looks a good bet now and then we see what our batsmen are made of, having to probably bat for 140-150 overs just to avoid the follow-on.

It is bad enough when you look at that sort of score. It is even worse when you have taken time off work to watch and you get to the ground during the 2nd over and you see Northants batting and you say "Ah well, I suppose you would bat with a straw coloured pitch and nothing overhead to make you bowl first". Only when you hear the bloke in front of you say at 228-0, "This is rubbish and to think we put them in..", do you then start to think NOT AGAIN WILL WHAT ARE YOU PLAYING AT. Making a dumb mistake once is bad enough but to do it twice (and with the same result) without learning the lesson from a few weeks ago is just plain STUPID. Did he consult the groundsman at all or was he just convinced it was a day to bowl. I pointed out how many times we have lowered our standards against poor opposition and now we have done it again. Do I go tomorrow and sit to watch them declare or get bowled out for 550-600. Not much fun in that with a bright sunny day in prospect. The bowling was awful, too many short balls that their openers could just rock back to and crack away for 4. The fielding was sloppy at times and we looked very ordinary with Miles, looking like a totally different bowler and even during his 4 wickets v Essex, he looked poor. We cannot keep watching opening partnerships from the opposition, mount up and whether or not we need to try other bowlers is up to the management but something needs to be done. If Will doesn't make runs here, he will be under more pressure than he already is. We look insipid and on that performance, you would be hard pressed to convince anyone who didn't know, that we are the current title holders.

Agreed, and glad you used the word 'Batsmen' too.

I will be there for all 4 days so I DEMAND a performance of the standard v Essex. They are not a good side so I don't want us lowering to their standards like we have done against other counties in the past.

Gave up on the car park years ago and now find a side street and walk a bit. It became too expensive and yet another way of taking money off us fans. When I first became a member in 1990 it was about £35 for a season pass (£74.50 in today's money) but then they decided to change it to paying every time you came in to park and it became too expensive. How much is it to park for a CC game.

It did look like a fight for survival tomorrow so those wickets at least mean we should not hopefully lose. At one time I thought they would get 450+so a good fightback.

If you are going to go to all the trouble of signing an overseas pro then sign someone who is of Test standard or what is the point. Just because someone comes from Australia, it does not mean they are going to be automatically be fantastic. There are plenty of Aussies who have been over here over the last 25 years and struggled. I hope this bloke doesn't become one of them.

It might be that your version is a bit more accurate as it has been a few years since I picked up the book on Foster and had gone through the book on Jeeves and tiger Smith's book also during the same period. Yes, I can imagine a days play might consist of 120 overs and a side scoring 300 runs, a good amount of first day runs but only 2.5 per over. Pity we haven't the footage to watch to see just what it was like. It seems strange now to think that in 100 years time, any fan will be able to watch a game from 2022 in crystal clear quality as though it was being played live.

Amazing that Leicestershire had 56 overs but still couldn't get the 219 needed to win but I suppose having lost 6 wickets, they played out a draw. Having said that, there are plenty of old games on 'cricinfo' where you see a side chasing about 210 in 90 overs and they still fail to get the target despite only having 4 wickets down. A totally different game then with batsmen not really adept at fast scoring and uncovered wickets meaning that it was difficult to force the pace. In the Robert Brooke book on Frank Foster, he states that Kinneir married a German ex-Lady Of The Night and he went bald almost overnight not long after their marriage and his skin turned blue after 'Catching Something'.

Only joking but as there were not that many over in the game, 288.2, I take it that there was rain/bad light at some point so difficult to say if the home side had only 56 overs to bat of if it rained and they had the 4th innings interrupted.

Sepp Kinneir v Leicestershire at Leicester 1907. I remember only certain bits of it as I was just 10 at the time and it is difficult for a man of 125 to remember everything. The match was drawn as Leicestershire's target of 219 was too much for them as they ended 148-6 (56)

Yes, without Stone, Woakes and Norwell, our opening bowling looks easy for most openers to cope with. Miles can be very hit and miss.