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Word for the captain too. Has racked his brain all season trying to fashion 20 wickets and bloody well managed it today. Even that short break he gave Norwell when he brought himself on for 3/4 overs could well have been crucial. OHD as well has anyone totted up his overs bowled in the season yet? Must be 460 ish? What a legend!!!
Tremendous advert for the county championship. If the board and committee fail to see the value of 2 division county championship cricket after that well then I have no more to offer and I will give up following cricket forever.
No sign of the committee whatsoever until that final wicket but afterwards there they all were applauding ecstatically - and so they should be
They know or at least have some sense now of what it means and what they must do with the ridiculous bloody Strauss review
Worcestershire's chairman in a similar forum yesterday confirmed a no vote would be made by their club
Rain was still fairly heavy around 7 but by 8 had eased considerably. It has also brightened up since about 9. Hoping any delay will be short but any delay at all will scupper already remote chances of setting 150+.
May have to set 135 and try to skittle them
Forums were held at Headingley this morning and at Derby this evening
From Derby;
At tonight's members forum. The overwhelming view of the @DerbyshireCCC members and (without committing) the board, is that the ECB High Performance Review can be filed in the bin.
And from today's report on Yorkshire's defeat to Gloucestershire;
The majority of Yorkshire members who assembled in the Long Room before start of play at Headingley were of identical mind on the two great issues of the day: the Strauss Review should be consigned to the waste bin and Yorkshire had no chance of beating Gloucestershire to secure their place in Division One next season.
Their view on the Strauss Review, which seeks a drastic reduction in the amount of county cricket, was voiced in no uncertain terms in a Members Forum as they gained assurances from the acting chief executive, Andy Dawson, that an EGM would be called as appropriate and that the vote would be binding. The members' revolt around the country appears to be taking effect - although in Yorkshire's case there may still be one or two complications ahead.
Some reflections on the forum from some Yorkshire members present - worth reading as the Warwickshire forum on October 26th is likely to share similarities
Andy Dawson (Yorkshire CEO) said he was marginally in favour of reducing the number of T20 matches from 14 to 10, citing the crazy scheduling this year of Yorkshire's home matches - 6 in 12 days
Andy Dawson also read out a prepared text (no doubt agreed with the Committee) at the beginning of the meeting, and he repeated it at the end, "that the Club will not support a reduction in the number of first class county championship matches without prior agreement with the Members".
By a show of hands members opinions were gauged on various options for T20 and 50-over cricket. The feeling of many in the Yorkshire forum was that it's pointless to have an opinion on one change in isolation of the others so many did not raise their hands for either option. In other words, people did not want to be tied in to saying Yes or No to these proposed changes since it all knocks on to the CC (and vice versa).
Hants won't be in any rush so will likely only get 28-30 overs before lunch
Need to go big especially in the hour up to lunch once in and the ball loses a bit of it's shine
Then declare at or just after lunch - I'd say at lunch as bad light will be an issue from around 5.30pm
170+ to win and about 65 overs. Would like nearer 200 but will be tricky against Abbas
Any chance of setting up a game? Hants might have fancied chasing 280 in 75 under normal circumstances. Doubt that's likely unless the pitch has flattened
Yorkshire have the signatures for their EGM. It is slightly different from the SGM Warwickshire members have been signing - see below;
> Act to protect the County Championship - Yorkshire CCC members in call to club
YORKSHIRE’s members are threatening to call an extraordinary general meeting demanding that chairman Lord Kamlesh Patel vote against controversial proposals to cut the number of County Championship games.
A group led by Simon Parsons, a long-standing member and a former representative on the club’s members’ committee, has obtained the necessary 400 signatures to force an EGM in response to plans in the England and Wales Cricket Board’s High Performance Review.
The review, led by Sir Andrew Strauss, the former England captain, recommends cutting the number of Championship fixtures from 14 per county to 10 from 2024 onwards.
Yorkshire are holding a members’ forum to discuss the Strauss review at 9.30am on Wednesday in the Headingley Long Room and they will be sending out an email survey to members in the coming weeks.
Parsons is warning that the membership is ready to rise up if necessary, mirroring disquiet felt across the country.
He told The Yorkshire Post: “From what I’ve seen, there isn’t any appetite for the Strauss report among the Yorkshire members; there isn’t any appetite to reduce the amount of County Championship cricket played. The club has got to give a guarantee that the members will have a say. They have to give a clear indication that each member will have a vote on this matter.
"My findings are that at least 95 per cent of the members do not endorse what is in the Strauss report concerning the reduction of Championship fixtures.”
In a document seen by The Yorkshire Post, the motions that would be tabled at an EGM are as follows:
Sir Andrew Strauss, who led the England and Wales Cricket Board's High Performance Review. Photo by Gareth Copley/Getty Images.
> “A. The club’s chairman will oppose any reduction in the number of first-class County Championship fixtures for future seasons, without the prior consent of the membership.
> “B. Any specific proposals for reform of the schedule/structure received by the club from the ECB for a vote of the county chairs will also be put to a vote of members (having given members at least 7 days’ written notice of the proposals prior to the EGM).
> "The club’s chair will respect the wishes of the member votes when casting the club’s vote in any decision-making forum.”
Under club rules, Yorkshire would have to convene an EGM within 42 days. The recommendations in the Strauss review need the support of 12 of the 18 first-class counties.
Parsons continued: “The ideal solution for me is the status quo of 14 Championship games. I don’t think 12 games - a compromise that might be foisted on members - is palatable either.
“Clearly, a lot of the problems are caused by The Hundred, which I think is the ruination of cricket. The scheduling is a farce. The idea of a separate competition running alongside The Hundred doesn’t work either; there is no point in having this so-called Festival of Cricket.
“Personally speaking, I would like the Championship to continue alongside The Hundred rather than to cut the number of Championship games. People still came to watch the Royal London Cup alongside The Hundred, after all; look at the crowds at York and Scarborough.”
200 overs is a long way off to be settling for a draw. Irrespective of the league situation Hants really have very little to play for other than the chance to record another win at Edgbaston like they did last year. Restricting a side to 270 on first innings in what is now effectively a three-day game and at a ground like Edgbaston is an ideal situation for any side going into bat second. With pressure off there is no doubt a powerful batting side like Hants could score 400 in a day steadily picking up the run rate as Will Rhodes tries to rotate his seamers into their 3rd and 4th spells given all the overs available tomorrow and with that short Pershore Road square boundary especially if Warwickshire don't get the rub of the green early on.
It'll be like proper red ball cricket probably up to tea time but if Hants are still batting they will go 50-over mode themselves after tea, try to enjoy themselves. The remainder of the game will be played like 50 over cricket on day 4 with run rates up and wickets tossed away with abandon. Can't wait personally I just hope the rain keeps off. I'd given the season up but can you just imagine???
Of course this pitch could have some surprises in store for us and if Hants are desperate to just get the season over with and get off on their holidays you never know the mentality side of it could get to them. Just have to hope our three seamers have a great day and Rhodes, Briggs or one of the youngsters can chip in. Warks will set a target if they are able to. It might even end up being almost tokenistic 135 to win off 40 overs or something like that
Hampshire interest is likely to be in setting up their own chance of effecting an innings victory. They'll look to bat big put 450 on the board and bowl us out after lunch on day 4.
That could play into Bears hands although we'll have to have their first innings wrapped up not long after tea. Even if Hants reach parity Bears could potentially bat quickly for 30 overs on Day 4 and set something like 180/190 to win in 2 sessions
Dream scenario will be knock em over for not much more than 230 then rack up 150 before close, add 50 more on Day 4 then declare setting Hants 240 ish to win in about 70 overs
Bonus tonight would've been. Remains a tall order. Pressure will be on to get round quickly between overs so can keep Norwell or Henry on for longer spells if they get on some sort of streak. Spin could come into it but by time they're on Hants would likely be near saving the follow on. Target will be to roll them for 200 in two sessions then like Somerset game Day 3 last season score quickly in the final session so we can pull out early-ish on day 4
Sticking Hants in now would be bold but with our attack this game maybe the right call
Recall 2011 it was Hampshire's flat dead pitch and no decent spinner (Metters?) which cost us the title. Irony of ironies if our own flat pitch ended up snookering us tomorrow/Thursday
Whichever way they go it's a massively tall order. I just think you want to have a look and see how up for it Hampshire are early tomorrow at the latest. Ploughing on to 400 to make a game safe in the old tried and trusted way might not be the best option in this circumstance. Set up some kind of game situation that Hants might fancy having a look at setting up themselves for could be a better option. The risk of course on Edgbaston's notoriously flat wickets on days 3-4 is Hants go way past our score and then bowl us out cheaply for an innings win
I guess this latest delay means we bat the rest of today and stick them in at 10.30 tomorrow see what happens?
The bowling points are assumed given as they'd be accrued if we were in any sense about to force a win. Hants won't be declaring 5 down that's for sure
Unless it's suddenly all over at Headingley and we're down anyway. Wednesday after tea and Thursday could become a beer match then
I don't know the exact maths? Is 5 bonus points plus 16 for the win 21 enough to overhaul Yorkshire should they lose collecting 3 points?
I'd probably still go on give our bowlers two sets of 70 overs (15 maybe tonight then bowl em out before tea tomorrow) to try and bowl Hants out twice that could mean setting 325/330 then praying we bowl them out in 70 overs then bat for a session then stick them in again.
We won't get stung for over rates will we cos we're gonna be aiming to get as many overs in as possible so Maybe 21 points is already enough but ideally want to get 50 more runs before declaring???
There will be further rain which''ll bring about tea or close of play
Amazing improv from Dan Mouseley here
14 overs to the new ball. Declare once the old ones been used up? Get these two or three down over night and it could be a decent day tomorrow at least until the result from Headingley comes through
Gloucestershire briefly rebuilding their innings after being 0-1 will have given them a brief filip
If the maths??? now says Warks need 3 batting points plus 3 bowling points and force the win then it's 300+ then declare before close tonight rather than dash for 400 as there's little point in extra batting points - time becomes more the issue so they'll certainly be getting through their overs speedily tomorrow so there's at least a chance of 104 overs + 96 on Thursday
Still two days to go. No need to go mad. 325 declare then bowl these out for 170 tomorrow then add 100 then bowl them out again on Thursday
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Alan Higham dissects the ECB review