GerryShedd wrote:

Report on Carter's award here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/counties/9028694.stm

excellent thanks, yeah as usual it's coming back to me now that was a really productive year with bat and ball for him, cheers

GerryShedd wrote:

The Player of the Year is the result of players' votes. Past (Warwickshire) winners are Chris Woakes in 2020 and Neil Carter in 2010.

Ah OK fair enough

Carter in 2010 is an interesting one. Did he have a particularly good year that year? I know he was very good in the T20 at least (bowling wise at least, his white ball batting by then was poor once teams used the simple expedient of bowling spin at him) but POTY surprises me.

I bet the voting for Overton came very shortly after he had that T20 QF innings against Yorkshire. Which by the way contained some if not many of the ugliest fking boundaries I have ever seen, I mean it was freakish, he must have got about 12 boundaries and I swear 10 of them were so ugly you couldn't appreciate them or admire anything about them, cross-batted slogs over the bowler's head, and nasty muscled swipes of short slow balls outside off stump going anywhere from backward point to long on, absolutely everything with the bottom hand, nothing even timed that well off the bat just, ugh, like some caveman batting with a stone club.

Even if I liked him that spectacle would have been distasteful. I can't help objecting to batsmen whose only virtue is 'mugh, me big muscles, me hit ball, ball go far'. Though I will concede in a cricketer not named Overton my reaction would perhaps have been less pronounced.

Andy wrote:

ITE7376 wrote:

GerryShedd wrote:

PS - a moan from me - Sam Hain doesn't get into the BBC team of the season:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/articles/c6dx01807d1ro
But because it was decided by public vote, maybe those of us who didn't vote are to blame.

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looks like all of Abell, Clarke and Bedingfield scored more runs than he did, to be fair

The latters just gotta get thru this...

hahaha good pickup

when we were playing Durham in the T20 i think 2025 season, Durham and specifically Bedingham started the innings with a bang and I texted my mate that 'whilst this Bedingham lad is on fire we just gotta get through this' which he really didn't appreciate as much as it deserved because it was a brilliant corny joke obviously, but of course since then he has stuck in my head as Daniel Bedingfield. I mean I can't even remember what his actual first name is at all, now.

GerryShedd wrote:

ITE7376 wrote:

GerryShedd wrote:

PS - a moan from me - Sam Hain doesn't get into the BBC team of the season:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/articles/c6dx01807d1ro
But because it was decided by public vote, maybe those of us who didn't vote are to blame.

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looks like all of Abell, Clarke and Bedingfield scored more runs than he did, to be fair

How dare you confuse a good moan with some facts!

although Abell's total was inflated by 300 runs in the definitive dead rubber so his total doesn't count!!!!

GerryShedd wrote:

PS - a moan from me - Sam Hain doesn't get into the BBC team of the season:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/articles/c6dx01807d1ro
But because it was decided by public vote, maybe those of us who didn't vote are to blame.

looks like all of Abell, Clarke and Bedingfield scored more runs than he did, to be fair

Mikkyk wrote:

I would however like to see Taz Ali be given a proper go in red ball next season over an overseas spinner.

yyyyyyyyyyes! I will concede i am an idealist and thus intensely biased towards (a) young homegrown players and (b) wrist spinners and admit that pragmatism may override those things. I hope this does happen but given the choice would totally understand the club going back to Suther, it's them who lose their jobs if it goes wrong not me.

as some have said before it didn't seem to help him that captain/management would often be too scared to bowl him if his first over went for runs. Mind, if it isn't swinging, much of the time he's looked to be easy pickings as a bowler anyway.

He definitely needs to work on both a stock ball top of off/back of length, and slower-ball/yorker variations for when the ball isn't swinging.

IMO to justify his place he needs to be bowling something close to his full allocation of overs as often as not, if he can do that I think the occasional explosive cameos with the bat will take care of themselves and can sort of be taken for granted 1 game in 3.

it almost seemed to me that Garton (and possibly Jordan Thompson too) was picked simply by virtue of the fact that he had played in the 100 and other franchise comps (they both had a single season in the Big Bash I believe), plus in GG's case he ticks that left arm/hand box

his reputation at that point seemed to be more on the cricketer he looked like he could be than the cricketer he actually was.

in his best moments he's a very 'memorable' cricketer, isn't he, when its swinging he's bowling hooping 84ph stuff, if he's on with the bat he's hitting big spectacular sixes, oh and of course he's a pretty good fielder with an absolute cannon of an arm. all the kind of stuff that can make people overlook his actual productivity as they fall in love with his potential.

paulbear wrote:

. David Willey pointed out that Northants in the T20 final were very inspired by Somerset appearing to think, in his words, "...That they had already won it at the halfway stage", they didn't need anything more to spur them on.

interesting- seems to me that has to be an indictment of the management team and of Lewis Gregory in particular. If true, allowing that sort of triumphalism and complacency to manifest itself to the point of the opposition picking it up is very poor leadership.

add that to his comments about 'ruthlessness' and Mr Gregory isn't coming across very well at all, good cricketer though he is

KingofSpain wrote:

I'm not sure what George Garton was doing on the pitch for the championship celebrations going the full John Terry. I didn't know he had any whites.

ha, they must be very, very clean

GerryShedd wrote:

> I'm sure that we will want to tell Daniel Norcross how much we enjoy his commentaries;

i'm glad I'm not the only one

UrsaMinor wrote:

Down to England seeing 50 overs as extended T20s perhaps.
i think that's definitely a decent part of it
> So, yes, I think he's hard done by but whenever I'm at an opposition ground, the locals all know and respect Sam Hain. That's something to be proud of.
absolutely, the regulars on the bbc comms circuit are the same

Andy wrote:
> In between 2016 and 2018 the likes of James Vince, Tom Westley, Dawid Malan and Nick Compton all got opportunity in the Test side at varying positions from no.3 to no.5 with varying degrees of success but not really nailing down the spot (you could argue Malan did a bit). I may have missed somebody too.

good point these were mostly at 3 I think

> He averaged something in the 20's in 2016, 15 or so in 2017 (imagine the stick he'd have got in here these days..)
ha indeed, his average would have to be cited with every post like a mantra>

> Since then, particularly since 2022, he's been absolutely elite. Totally phenomenal. Unfortunately Jonny Baitstow had a renaissance of sorts in 2022 then some bloke called Harry Brook became a superstar whilst Joe Root went from good strength to incredible strength.

that does still include that period where IIRC Pope racked up a world record of tests for a top 6 batsman without a 50 which strikes me as the most glaring unfairness/ omission. all the more galling as it includes some good old Surrey bias spits

y'all have some epic recall on here, my memory is obviously terrible compared to a lot of posters so its always illuminating to be reminded of backstories and context from the past that I had entirely forgotten

Andy wrote:

Booth
Gotcha cheers! I like the cut of his jib and hope he's available next year especially with the lower order biffing

The_Lickey_Banker wrote:

ajones1328 wrote:

Amazing performance this season

So deserved ! I hope they have a great weekend and enjoy what they have achieved this season.

Yep, truly a wonderful end to the season. Who'd have thought we'd be where we are, after those first couple of results.
It is a great tribute to the whole team of Players and Coaching staff. But the biggest plaudits should go to:-
Ethan B - obviously Player of the Season
Ed Barnard - for really upping his Captaincy skills in the latter part of the season and the contribution he's made with bat & ball
Westie for showing how perseverance can bring success
Sam Hain - for ONCE AGAIN, holding our batting together. How England can ignore him, is a disgrace (but good for us) and I hope he doesn't dwell on that.
Woakesy for 'hanging on in there', (largely) overcoming all those injury concerns and showing he's the one of the greatest of Bears.
And finally, our 'Pop', his return must be a huge factor in us getting where we have, 'cos let's face it, its the seam bowlers who've done the most to get us this Trophy and I don't think they'd have done it without him.
C'mon you Bears!!

I'm going to be that guy again, but Hain is 31 and has only got over 1000 CC runs twice I believe. He may still be a bit unlucky but I think 'disgrace' may be going a bit far. In terms of who he should have replaced in the England setup I guess that huge run of failures they allowed Olly Pope to rack up stands out as the most obvious unfairness although I can't recall exactly what kind of form Hain was I during that period

Inside-edge wrote:

7 bowlers with an average under 30

Great stat, thanks. So, Bamber, Woakes, OHD, Suthar, I guess Barnard, and.... maybe Barker too. And Webster?

Very fitting for Bamber to finish it off!

There is only one contender for PCA cricketer of the year surely?