Not sure what others have seen or heard, but seen some interesting rumours floating round on this.
Seems it’s right back to headhunting and applicants again. Lots of names getting chucked about by journo’s, pundits, podcasters etc. 2 of the most commonly mentioned are Steve Rhodes and Chris Adams, both have had success but a whiff of scandal around both.
As usual some old boy names are raised with Dougie Brown seemingly the only realistic contender. Though I wonder with the turning down of Giles there’s been a decision to stay away from the old boy club.

I think Giles burned his bridges with leaving twice, so understandable scepticism there. Plus they’ve had Farbace leave now, so as stated in the article they want a long term appointment, hoping that it’ll lead to greater consistency and prolonged success instead of the rollercoaster of the last decade.

But I wonder, is part of the problem for an appointment the fact that Robinson is a famously difficult man to work with? It’s been shown in previous roles that he has success in a short space of time, but then players and coaches do tire of his approach. We’ve seen it already within the coaching staff, Farbrace, and some players, clearly disliking his approach and leaving or falling out with him.

Also is a long term appointment viable anymore? With so many opportunities at an increasing number of franchises, plus more international sides now, will you get DoC’s and top coaches willing to stay for 10 years?

Might be on my own on this one, but I’m of the opinion they can do what they want to the outside really. It’s become such a jumbled mess, at this point I’d just like it to look nice, and that it all belongs together, even if it doesn’t look particularly like a cricket ground.
I would however, like them to be more delicate with how they do the seating and the stands, and that they don’t make it a featureless ground that could be anywhere like Cardiff, or a modern monstrosity like Old Trafford.

I think they’ve made a shrewd hire here, it’s clear from his CV why he made sense to them.
He knows what it takes to be successful in county cricket as he was at Surrey last year. He’s been at Somerset and Gloucestershire too. Where the second aspect comes in, he knew Norwell coming through and knows how to manage him well. So hopefully can keep him fit.
Then as a bonus he’s got international experience with Bangladesh and the England Lions too.
The issue will be, as with Welch and Farbrace, can he get on with Robinson?

Interesting to see people reported Farbrace didn’t apply for it though.
The concern for me is, does he try take a few players with him. We have a few going into the last year of their contract. I’ve already seen on some Sussex accounts fans rumouring he’s going to try get Burgess to go back, and apparently Ed Pollock too.

I agree with it for the vast majority.
Though think the milk of human kindness comment is true, 4/10 seems generous. Compared to last year we were obviously far worse in the CC, achieved the same in T20, and collapsed epically after Burgess and Pandya got injured in the RLODC.

I think we flattered to deceive in the T20. Hose and Hain carried the batting, with others like Davies, Benjamin, Stirling and Braithwaite really not contributing anywhere near enough, but scoring either some easy runs, or getting 1 score in flamboyant style to keep the questions away.
But when it came down to it, like most of the season, when the hard work needed doing and Hain and Hose in T20, or Hain, Burgess and Sibley in the Championship failed to make some sort of score, then the entire side were out too cheaply.

I’ve more sympathy for the bowlers, they were pretty good in the T20, Stone especially. And on the championship the effort was there, but just lacked that incisive edge, partly through injury, and some inexperience (including oddly our Overseas). I don’t think they were helped by the squad planning. Having a bowling attack built around OHD, Brookes, Norwell and Miles, all who have suffered one if not more significant injuries in the last 2/3 years seems naive at best. And they lacked a top class bowling coach after Welch left. So although they didn’t carry their fair share early in the season, I think they were let down behind the scenes as much as anything.

Think the rub on Sidebottom was that Derby really wanted him when he signed on loan there at the start of the season, and the club were willing to send him on loan for the rest of the season and he could sign there permanently. But he got injured after the first match. Derby got cold feet, then after he got fit, Sidebottom seemed to jump up the bears pecking order, above Garret and Johal, which seemed to suggest he might have a future at the club. Only for it not to materialise. So who knows where he ends up now, but he’s more than good enough to be first choice at a Div 2 club if he can stay fit.

The talk I’ve heard on Garrett is exactly what you’d expect, the Bears are willing to keep him at the right price, but don’t want to pay a premium price for a player they’re not convinced by. The other issue currently is no DoC to negotiate with.

Yeah. Players we produced.

So next year. Of an expected first choice XI for either championship or T20, is it only Yates left who’s a homegrown player??
I don’t count Hain as realistically he was developed elsewhere.

Having spoken to a few players on the circuit at the time, having seen what has been written by respected cricket journalists and the usual rumour mill from players and coaches involved at the club; I think like most moves, there wasn’t just one single reason why Barker moved on.
I’ve always understood that he wanted to stay, however, he wasn’t happy with both the offer and how it was handled. So once he made his decision that he was willing to leave, that it was a case of he’d only leave if he could go down south. When it became apparent that not only was he able to move south but the offer was better and Hampshire clearly wanted him, it was an easy decision.

The problem is, players move for a number of reasons, but in a career that is hardly secure, being wanted and being treated well is a massive thing. And we just don’t seem to be able to convince players to stay, based on how much we want them. That’s made worse often but how much the club chased shiny new targets, and players can see the difference in treatment.

People talk a lot about loyalty in professional sport expecting it of players, but more and more clubs don’t return it either. And I’m concerned we’re becoming a club of mercenaries, rather than a club of players passionate about the badge, not just the name on the back.

Will the club be putting out a released list I wonder?
Lots of other clubs have already announced which players will be leaving/have left.
I think it’s only fair Warwickshire do the same, as much as anything so that those players can get the goodbye messages from supporters that they deserve, and that fans know what to expect next season.

On the Pop Welch thing, having spoken to a couple of people around the county circuit, it’s common knowledge that it was a personality clash, and Welch decided he would rather move on than work with him.

Regarding Lamb, no one has painted him as the second coming of Bradman. Just that you play to win, and you pick the players who give you the best chance of that. And a player averaging 48, contributes to wins a lot more than players with “talent in abundance” who average single figures. It’s about performances, not potential.
And beyond numbers, these guys are people too not just athletes, and I can’t imagine how Matt Lamb must feel (someone said he seemed very upset in the lounge after the final match). Having come through the ranks, been in the club for 17 years, since he was 9 according to cric info, you’ve just won the championship, you’re having a great season, averaging almost 50, and…. Dropped. Not offered a new deal, banished from the match day squads, the message was clearly it doesn’t matter how well you do, we don’t want you anymore. From his home club. Professional sports are brutal, but at least usually decisions are made on merit and performance. And I think that’s what really gets me about the Lamb situation, he did everything they could have asked of him, more than many others, and he just hasn’t been treated even close to fairly.

And you don’t become a bad coach overnight, but this was never about technical coaching or even tactics, it’s his man management and selection decision making that have been the issue. He’s got to get that changing room back together because all the noise in the press, around the leagues and the usual sources is that it’s not a happy place currently, it’s pretty split, there’s some big name established players who are unhappy with the treatment they and some other players have received, and that sort of fractured, dissatisfied environment is never going to be a recipe for success. And the problem is, it’s hard to fix a people problem like that if you’re the cause of it, because as George Dobell put it in his article, “players remember these things”.

I think the biggest change has been the selection policy and player management. Last year it was clear that there were no favourites, selection was on merit, the 11 players with the best chance of winning were put out.
The changing room seemed more harmonious, it seemed like 1 squad, whereas now it seems very fractious and a big split between red ball and T20.
And the loss of pop Welch due to Robinson is massive too.

How, even in the brutal environment of professional sport, can any club can offer more loyalty and support to someone like Davies who’s been there for 5 seconds, looked like he couldn’t care less half the time, and played poorly, than to someone like Matt Lamb? A player who’s been at the club since he was 10 or 11, plays with passion for the club every match, and performed well. It’s just bewildering.
It’s the sort of decision making you see in failed businesses all the time. People too arrogant, stubborn or deluded to admit a mistake, so they double down on their error by backing it further. And by the time it’s so obvious even they can’t deny they’ve made a mistake, it’s too late.
I’m just hoping it’s not too late, but I look at the loss of Stone, Hose, Sibley, Lamb, Sidebottom, potentially Burgess. And I see the players who are lined up to take their places and be big parts of the side; likes of Davies, Yates, Bethell, Mousley, Benjamin, Johal, Ethan Brookes, and at this moment I can’t see an improvement. The likes of Yates and Davies need a complete turn around in form. And the younger players need to come of age and start delivering more than just potential.

Not sure I’ll ever see figures like that from a Bears bowler again.
I’m ecstatic and terrified in equal measure. So relieved we escaped.
But I’m hoping they don’t just gloss over this season, put it down to injuries and move on. They’re celebrating right now. But I hope they realise this isn’t an achievement.
There’s been some awful decisions and performances this year, and if they just carry on the same next year, it’ll go the same way again, except I think you only get one miracle like that in a lifetime.

I’m going to say that from what I’ve seen of Bethell and Mousley, the reason they do well at second XI is because at the moment that’s their level. They haven’t succeeded despite opportunities in the firsts. So they’d do no better.
Benjamin similar but at least has shown some promise. Lamb plenty good enough and everyone knows he’s been treated poorly. No idea why Hose wasn’t given a chance.
But Robinson refused to drop certain players who were horrifically out of form. And Rhodes didn’t have the decency to handover the captaincy.

I don’t think Lintott is good enough for FC cricket. Because players don’t have to go after him.

But also it’s always so thought judging on 2nd XI cricket because some weeks you get the opposition putting out a very strong side, other weeks you get a bunch of 16 year olds.

What is Bethells average this year for Warwickshire?
I’m not sure I’ve seen him get to double figures in red ball or T20.
He’s young, but he’s been anointed the second coming, and frankly has been pretty poor.
If we’d picked Sibley or Burgess in the T20, we might have been able to keep one of them. Though on the Burgess side, from my understanding part of that was because Davies was promised the gloves and no competition in T20.

I’m hoping Lamb and Burgess will be there, so I can apologise to them for the abhorrent way they’ve been treated. Let them know that we see through the nonsense from Robinson.

It’s supposed to be all right during the day. But to rain heavily all night and not stop until 9-11. So it’s going to be hard to start on time, big job needed by the ground staff.
Then it’s bat fast for a session, put 150-200 as a target, and see how it goes with the ball.

We have a chance. Not one we deserve. But the great escape is on.

Yorkshire have lost a 7th wicket. Still needing 84 to tie!
Problem is, it’s supposed to start raining heavily tonight and well into tomorrow morning. Supposedly until around 11 or 12. So to then get the ground ready, put a score in the board and bowl them out, time looks far too tight.

I’m not holding my breath on the points deduction for Yorkshire, for the simple reason that the ECB screwed it up too. So if they punish Yorkshire with points, they’ll be turning the spotlight on themselves. I also expect Yorkshire would appeal, or the points deduction wouldn’t come into effect until next season.