I think it might be because we were always 60 odd for 3 or 4. So Hain and Burgess inevitably had to rebuild.
Davies, Yates, Sibley and Rhodes barely scored last year. So perhaps that’s more of it.

Is it me, or does our top 4 seem to bat very slowly this year compared to last?
Hain seems to have gone very anti-BazBall. Davies and Yates take a long while to get going too.

Rhodes goes at a more brisk pace, but really hasn’t scored that many this year.

Puts all the pressure on Mousley, Barnard and Burgess to up the rate.

Looks a good batting track. Hope at least one of these 2 goes on to get a century. (If I haven’t jinxed them).
If the track continues to play this well, I suspect the only way to get a win will be a big first innings score, and keeping them in the field for as long as possible in the heat. Use tiredness as an advantage rather than the pitch. As I’ve not seen any ball behave in a way that would make a batsman worry.

I’m impressed by the fact that after weeks of no rain and baking sun, Notts have managed to prepare a very green pitch.

I’m pretty sure I saw something on one of the socials, that he was aiming to return for these 2 matches.
How long is he contracted for? Let’s be honest at this stage, is it time to just cut ties? Thanks for the memories, and he’s outstanding bowler on his day, but apart from one season, his day is about twice a year. Just can’t seem to play more than 2 or 3 matches a season.

I don’t think it’s just Moeens wicket. It’s something I’ve noticed in general the last couple of matches. They just seem to have that bit less passion in the last couple of matches.
It’s easy to have great enthusiasm and spirit when you’re winning, maybe they just need one of those great moments that lift a side, and get them back on track.

The problem is Robinson has pinned his colours to the mast now. Does he have the strength, but also the support within the dressing room to hold his hands up to making some selection mistakes, and change some things within that side.
He’s given Moeen and Davies the leadership roles. One who performed awfully last year, and there was never any guarantee of performances. And the other first year back at the club, hadn’t even practiced with the team. Just parachuted in and expected to know everything about everyone.

You’ve got some players on decent wages and recent extensions like Benjamin, Miles, Brookes, who if not picked, you wonder what they’re at the club for, as it seems they have no chance of playing in the red ball side. Whilst players like Barnard & Rhodes seem to have earned their chance aren’t getting a fair shot, or even the likes of Burgess who for whatever reason has been written off in this format altogether. So you wonder if this is starting to become an ego thing with Robinson, refusing to back down from his decisions and in denial that he’s made some selection mistakes. As it seems we’re picking on reputation rather than performance. Yates being dropped after scoring a rapid 70, whilst Benjamin and Davies staying in after being very slow and scratchy for a while now, being the perfect example.

There’s a couple of players who seem to be undroppable, like Benjamin, but repeatedly offer very little.

Think I’d rather see Barnard or Rhodes get a proper chance.

I’d phrase it as this is the option with the lowest odds of failure.
They know exactly what they’re getting. Whilst a longer shot might arguably be a better spinner; they know what to expect from Moeen, they know he knows what test and ashes cricket is about, and they’ve hedged their bet by knowing that he could come good with bat or ball.

Though I still can’t escape the feeling that if Dawson, Parkinson, Jacks, Ahmed or even someone like Briggs or Bess, was as good mates with Stokes as Moeen is, that they’d be in the side. And the test experience suddenly wouldn’t matter.

I get it from Moeens point of view. It’s hard to say no to.

But also, I don’t like the fact he basically decided to retire when it was clear he wasn’t going to be first choice anymore. Then just brings himself in when he’s guaranteed. Imagine if Woakes did that. I didn’t like it when Billings declared himself as the backup keeper in Pakistan but was going to play BBL instead of being on the tour. You either play and are willing to fight for your place or not. In which case someone goes ahead of you who is willing to dedicate their time to the squad etc.

And just in terms of pure selection, I mean it cries out as picking a mate. He was awful in 2019 I think it was. He hasn’t played red ball in years. There’s better spinners out there. Hell I’d argue Briggs would do a much better job. But if they’re insistent on wanting someone to bat (doesn’t make sense to me as Leach couldn’t), surely you go Wills Jacks or Liam Dawson.

Really sums up the state of English spin bowling if we do go back to Moeen though.

I always think in T20, you need a short memory, bad days happen simply because of the way the format is, and all it takes is one player to come off to win it.

What I will say is that, Madsen is a perfect example of why Yates should have stayed in the team. Form matters, stick with the hot hand, Madsen has scored 5 50’s in a row now, including a century. If something is working, don’t over think it, stick with it.

I could definitely see Barnard losing out but I also think he has added value because he’s a third seamer.
Definitely depends on the pitch, but only 2 seamers is a bit light for me. Could see Barnard going when Hassan Ali is fit again.

We will find out tomorrow, but the depth is very impressive. Considering Rhodes is scoring hundreds in the 2’s and can’t get close. Bethell can’t get in. Burgess is doing very well on loan at Sussex.
No Hassan Ali, no Norwell, no OHD, no Woakes for various reasons.

He’s in the squad named for Derbyshire. So I think we’re going to find out very soon.

I’ve been wondering if perhaps if it might be Lintott who unluckily misses out. The modern way seems to be preferring all rounders. Surrey being an excellent example. Briggs, Maxwell, Mousley, Ali and Yates means more than enough spin options.

He’s the new James Hildreth. For whatever reason, someone inside the ECB and the current set up just doesn’t fancy him.
I just don’t buy the talk about he’s too similar to Root in ODI’s, or that he’s not aggressive enough in red ball. I mean would you rather Lawrence or Vince scoring a quick 30 off 35 balls in a test or Hain scoring 100 off 150. I know which one is more likely to win a test match.

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I might just be a sceptic, but as fantastic as that was. It terrifies me for later in the competition.
Especially when they get Salt, Gleeson and Butler back in.

Just hope this isn’t a peak too early sort of season (again).

One of the great things about this site is the range of opinions expressed; and I realise that few people would mistake the average Bears fan for a ray of sunshine. But this is a very pessimistic view.

I’d simply say it’s realistic based on 3 indisputable facts.
1) You can’t win the blast in May, and we have proven recent history of starting well then blowing it when it counts multiple times.
2) Our first 2 matches were against the worst two sides in the group, so you don’t exactly want to get carried away based on that.
3) Lancashire were just never at the races, as well as we bowled and fielded, they also played atrociously. Batted badly, fielded badly, were captained poorly, didn’t looked bothered. And they’re missing 2 world class T20 players in Salt and Butler, an England T20 bowler in Gleeson and a domestic run machine in Jennings.

I’d rather be pessimistic now and win the whole thing. Than pat ourselves on the back based on 3 pretty easy matches first up, to only go and blow it again when it matters.

I might just be a sceptic, but as fantastic as that was. It terrifies me for later in the competition.
Especially when they get Salt, Gleeson and Butler back in.

Just hope this isn’t a peak too early sort of season (again).

I’ll admit if those 3 I mentioned, I’d be least surprised if it were us missing out. Especially as we have previous in screwing up.
But yet to get Moeen in.

But it does speak to our depth currently that we’ve had players like Brookes and Burgess go on loan in different formats and perform very well.

That’s a really impressive bowling attack to do it against too.
Think the top 3/4 sides are already starting to show.
Be amazed if at least 2 of Lancs, Surrey and ourselves weren’t at finals day.

I think Maxwell for Mousley. They’re just too similar, and unfortunately Maxwell is clearly the better player.