Andy wrote:

I see Hain's been roped into this rubbish now. Replacement player for somebody.

He's gone to Manchester to replace Madsen. Brathwaite has gone to Manchester as well (replacing Shadab Khan).

Stone has been replaced at Northern Superchargers by Jordan Thompson.

Andy wrote:

Bit of a let down? Na, always good to give Yorkshire a doing.

That was so easy it was scarcely believable. All done and dusted in under 2 hours!

Pleased to see us go back of a length up front and nick a couple off with them fending off the back foot. It's aggressive tactics and they work on pitches like this, other sides have been doing it to us. Good in the field again, Lamb's catch was particularly good, it was always going away from him, his fielding has really improved. Couldn't imagine anybody but Michael Burgess behind the stumps for us these days. Pleased for Hose, he needed that, he kept his shape better tonight.

Back on track, we're good again, crisis over!

And, to cap it all, Durham lost as well. I'm pleased for Hose, I thought he'd either have to drop down the order, or even risk being dropped. Perhaps someone (Trotty ?) has had a serious word with him, about slowing things down a bit ? And, at last, the bowlers all worked and contributed. A great team performance, which will help confidence no end - hopefully, the start of a run ?

I guess Phoenix will be looking for another player next month as well then. What's the situation getting replacements in the 100?

GerryShedd wrote:

Regarding the bowling, Jake Lintott can't come back soon enough. Jacob Bethell may well be, as others have said, a great prospect. But he looked against Durham to be slightly out of his depth and that could hinder his development rather than help him.
At the risk of repeating myself, the other option should be, if possible, to recall Alex Thomson from his loan at Derbyshire. In his last three T20 spells for them, he has bowled seven overs for 46 runs - an economy rate better than any of the Bears have achieved so far.

Jake finishes his Covid isolation on Monday, so he SHOULD be available for the Yorkshire game on Wednesday (assuming he hasn't lost any fitness with the 'lurgi' !).

Alex isn't getting any First team time at Derby now (and they have found a settled team), so there really is no point him staying. As you say Gerry, IF we can recall him, I'd do that as spin back up (for Jake or Danny). He clearly is going to be on his way this Autumn, it would be better for him if he gets a couple of run outs for our Firsts, than Derby Seconds.

Andy wrote:

There is a case for moving Hose down the order, I'm keeping Lamb in though.

I agree with keeping Lamb in, but I still think we'd be better dropping Hose altogether. Let him get some form back in the Seconds - for the T20 Quarters IF we get there. I'm not bothered about him getting form back for the 'dreaded Hundred' !

Bald_Reynard wrote:

Bald_Reynard wrote:

Bald_Reynard wrote:

Unchanged 13 man squad:-

Pollock, Hose, Malan, Rhodes, Hain, Lamb, Bethell, Burgess, Brathwaite, Bresnan, Briggs, Miles & Norwell

Personally, I'd drop Hose and Norwell and bring in Malan and Bethell. Malan's calmer style partners Pollock's bashing (and he's a decent back up seamer, which gives us options). Bethell's left arm spin is needed (he's bowled well for the Seconds) and he does lengthen the batting. But, of course, Hose and Norwell will be kept by the powers that be!

I was half right - Hose has been kept in, but Norwell has been dropped for Bethell !

Hose failed - yet again! He has to be dropped - or at least moved (way) down the order - he's no opener (in any form of the game).

Bald_Reynard wrote:

Bald_Reynard wrote:

Unchanged 13 man squad:-

Pollock, Hose, Malan, Rhodes, Hain, Lamb, Bethell, Burgess, Brathwaite, Bresnan, Briggs, Miles & Norwell

Personally, I'd drop Hose and Norwell and bring in Malan and Bethell. Malan's calmer style partners Pollock's bashing (and he's a decent back up seamer, which gives us options). Bethell's left arm spin is needed (he's bowled well for the Seconds) and he does lengthen the batting. But, of course, Hose and Norwell will be kept by the powers that be!

I was half right - Hose has been kept in, but Norwell has been dropped for Bethell !

Bald_Reynard wrote:

Unchanged 13 man squad:-

Pollock, Hose, Malan, Rhodes, Hain, Lamb, Bethell, Burgess, Brathwaite, Bresnan, Briggs, Miles & Norwell

Personally, I'd drop Hose and Norwell and bring in Malan and Bethell. Malan's calmer style partners Pollock's bashing (and he's a decent back up seamer, which gives us options). Bethell's left arm spin is needed (he's bowled well for the Seconds) and he does lengthen the batting. But, of course, Hose and Norwell will be kept by the powers that be!

Unchanged 13 man squad:-

Pollock, Hose, Malan, Rhodes, Hain, Lamb, Bethell, Burgess, Brathwaite, Bresnan, Briggs, Miles & Norwell

BristolBear wrote:

Apparently Brookes was having a long, full speed bowl in the middle before the Derbyshire match.
Hopefully that was a fitness test of some sort and he’ll be available for Saturday.
Would love him back in the side, he was excellent in T20 last year, and without him or Stone in the side, we lack a true fast bowler, and the threat they pose.

With Lintott and Mousley out still, I’d definitely risk playing Bethell to get that second spin option. Briggs is excellent but without another spinner, teams don’t need to take risks against him, and they just play him out at 5/6 an over and then attack the more expensive seamers.

That is great news. I know Henry hasn't been having a great season with the Seconds, but I think that was in the Championship. I don't think he has played much in their T20 team, because of the injury. He still could be a force in the white ball game - and if fit, should be back.

On the spinner selection, I agree Jacob B is the obvious addition. He didn't get much chance bowling in the Chester-le-Street game (2 overs for 17 runs), but has shown in the Seconds T20 this year, he is a very good left arm spinner - and of course, a very promising early order bat (though went in at number 9 at the Riverside - 3 NO). And (a fit) Henry B and George Garrett should be added to the Derby squad.

Exiled Bear wrote:

Bald_Reynard wrote:

It will be interesting to see what the squad will be. There were (quite) a few disappointments last night - but particularly, Hose (who hasn't really done it this season - yet) and Norwell. I can't see them dropping Hose, but I would - and bring in Malan, who looked good in his second T20 (and he does give an extra bowling option - untried yet). I would defo drop Norwell - he just doesn't look the part in T20 - this season or last. The back up bowling options are not good though. OHD & Sidebottom have never bowled well in T20 (and their batting doesn't help !). Given what George Garrett did for the Seconds in their T20 Final yesterday (5 for 19 in 3.2 overs), I'd certainly bring him into the squad - and seriously consider him to start. He also has done well batting in the Seconds T20 this season - and played OK for the First's in his two T20 games last year.

I think it's harsh to say that OHD has never bowled well in T20 - he was a key part of the team that won it in 2014!

When I posted about OHD, I added the word "recently" to the sentence, but must have omitted it, when I edited the post, to talk about George Garrett. I completely agree, Ollie was wonderful in 2014 - and pretty much kept that up in all T20's until 2017 - but it went awry then. Certainly, from 2019 on, T20 has never been his forte - and I can't see him coming back in that format. He hasn't even done much in the Seconds T20 team this season. Such a shame - he was such a reliable at-the-death bowler.

It will be interesting to see what the squad will be. There were (quite) a few disappointments last night - but particularly, Hose (who hasn't really done it this season - yet) and Norwell. I can't see them dropping Hose, but I would - and bring in Malan, who looked good in his second T20 (and he does give an extra bowling option - untried yet). I would defo drop Norwell - he just doesn't look the part in T20 - this season or last. The back up bowling options are not good though. OHD & Sidebottom have never bowled well in T20 (and their batting doesn't help !). Given what George Garrett did for the Seconds in their T20 Final yesterday (5 for 19 in 3.2 overs), I'd certainly bring him into the squad - and seriously consider him to start. He also has done well batting in the Seconds T20 this season - and played OK for the First's in his two T20 games last year.

Hose back in (for Malan) and Bethell (making his 1st team debut) for Lintott.

Durham won the toss and chose to bat first.

Andy wrote:

Can we keep the run going?

Woakes in?
Stone in?

Lancashire top 5 looks tasty, Finn Allen, Davies, Livingstone, Buttler, Vilas.

Wickets up top important tomorrow I'd say.

Woakesy is back, but Stone is out (with a slight back strain). I guess CW will be in for Bresnan, as the only change from Leicester.

Tim B in for Woakes, only change. No surprise.
Foxes won the toss and put us in.

GerryShedd wrote:

A possible signing:
ps://www.espncricinfo.com/story/warwickshire-close-to-signing-che-simmons-17-year-old-dubbed-new-jofra-archer-1266631?ex_cid=OTC-RSS

If so, Simmons would be the third Barbadian we've signed this year. Mind you we've always had close links with Barbados, I remember the regular pre-season trips we had there - a wonderful country, great cricketers and friendly people.

We won the toss and chose to bat first.

Team:-

Rhodes, Pollock, Malan, Hain, Mousley, Burgess, Brathwaite, Woakes, Miles, Briggs and Lintott

Bald_Reynard wrote:

Highveld wrote:

14 man squad, Hose drops out through injury, Malan and Woakes added to the squad for the first two games.

I guess Malan will be in for Hose and Woakes for Miles today.

Malan did come in for Hose, but CW came in for Bresnan - Miles stays.

We lost the toss and Derby elected to bat. Mousley & Woakes opening the bowling - not very successfully, Derby hit 17 off the first 2 overs.

Highveld wrote:

14 man squad, Hose drops out through injury, Malan and Woakes added to the squad for the first two games.

I guess Malan will be in for Hose and Woakes for Miles today.