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We are just not good enough. Sibley, Yates, Lamb with the bat and Norwell & Rhodes with the ball have allowed this game to slip away........we cant blame the young kids but at the same time they had a 21yr old & an 18yr old who shared nearly 200 runs!!

Some of this bowling from Somerset is garbage but we cannot cope with it despite them not winning a one day game all season.

Somerset have been mostly blown away by the other teams attacks this season but we allowed them to build an innings that we cant compete with them.

What a depressing season this has been, pretty disgraceful stuff from all but Hain, OHD & Burgess.

Surely there must be some changes to personnel after this?

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Losing Pandya and Burgess was the killer blow, really

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Sums up the season, we have failed to beat a side who had nothing to play for and who have done naff all in any limited over games this season. I agree with meashambear about his assessments on Somerset's bowling and I have said so often over the years we play pat-a-cake with awful bowling and allow club-standard 'pie-throwers' to often dictate the way the game goes instead of planting their rubbish over the boundary as often as possible. A very bad chase and out of a competition by a small margin and only ourselves to blame.

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The batting without Pandya and Burgess was rather toothless. Just really lacked any drive. Happy to stack up dots, didn’t seem to be any impetus.
It’s easy to say we had 3 teenagers, but they didn’t do much. Their 18 year old scored 90, and was the backbone of their innings.
Think we go through without the injuries, so some bad luck involved too.

As a positive now there’s a longer rest period for Burgess to be fit for the championship, plus some time off for Norwell, OHD and Rhodes. Would be handy to get the players like Hain, Bethell, Davies who are at the bottom of the hundred table before the semis and get in the nets, rather than not be allowed to be released until after the final.

This season will now be defined by whether we stay up, but it’s hard not to be pessimistic. The club seems to have no long term cricketing plan, and there’s too many rumblings from behind the scenes, and established players leaving, to think it’s just nothing.

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Poorly managed run chase on and off the field, Yates, Sibley, Shaikh (forgive the young man for trying to add some impetus) and Lamb all out to catches needlessly gifted. Then when Ethan Brooks has dragged the bears to the doorstep of an unlikely victory (with some support from his skipper who strangely chose to drop anchor for periods) the strangest decision of all. Why on earth do we choose to send in a 16 year old lad when we have got within 30/40 runs of victory, but balls are running out???
We had 3 strong fast bowlers, all capable, and proven with the bat and able clear the boundary and yet we (whoever we are) decide to expose this young lad, who has done a great job behind the stumps, to this pressure. The captain couldn't handle it, why did the decision makers think that young George Maddy could? In the end the game petered out ball by ball and Warwickshire raised little resistance. Somerset couldn't believe their luck.

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Poorly managed run chase on and off the field, Yates, Sibley, Shaikh (forgive the young man for trying to add some impetus) and Lamb all out to catches needlessly gifted. Then when Ethan Brooks has dragged the bears to the doorstep of an unlikely victory (with some support from his skipper who strangely chose to drop anchor for periods) the strangest decision of all. Why on earth do we choose to send in a 16 year old lad when we have got within 30/40 runs of victory, but balls are running out???
We had 3 strong fast bowlers, all capable, and proven with the bat and able clear the boundary and yet we (whoever we are) decide to expose this young lad, who has done a great job behind the stumps, to this pressure. The captain couldn't handle it, why did the decision makers think that young George Maddy could? In the end the game petered out ball by ball and Warwickshire raised little resistance. Somerset couldn't believe their luck.

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Disappointing end to a competition which started so well at Cheltenham. I love this format and it would have been nice to progress but ultimately the loss of Burgess and Pandya killed us. We would have been hammered by Lanky in the quarter finals.
Overall assessment on some individuals:
Yates played very well and showed his class
Rhodes had some great knocks and did ok with the ball
Lamb repeatedly failed to do his job in the middle order. Hasn't done enough to be retained.
E Brookes didn't perform as well as last year with bat or ball but has promise
Smith looks a talent but a lot to ask of a 17 year old at this stage of his development
G Maddy hopefully learned what is requires at this level
Garrett is not and never will be good enough for the first team
Norwell did OK once they realised he doesn't have the variations to bowl at the death
OHD man of the tournament and held the bowling together.

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Yes BristolBear, we have a habit of allowing/letting those established players leave and not seeming to care about it much. In Rikki Clarke's case, I get the feeling he just didn't want to be here any more but even looking at one-day only players, I get the feeling that not much is done to keep them. The Barker/Wright departures were one of the biggest fiasco's the club were ever responsible for and I suppose it's good that they have done nothing since, oh! No wait a minute..... It would be interesting to know if anything was done to keep certain players at the club if/when they wanted to leave or were approached by other clubs or did the club just hold up their hands and say "Go on then if you really want to go we won't stop you". I pray we stay up but it will need something special to do so, having a few players back soon would help, if only this 'The Hundread' would just go and ** off.

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I am amazed by some of the negativity on here. We were short (by my count) of 15 players today, had two sixteen year olds and a seventeen year old and didn't quite win.
Overall, with the resources that we had I thought we did well to come so close to qualifying - but maybe I'm just a naive fool.
Anyway, here's my report:
https://deepextracover.com/2022/08/warwickshire-v-somerset-royal-london-one-day-cup-edgbaston-stadium/

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Very disappointing end to the competition. Although we can rightly argue that we've been ravaged by injuries and call ups to the 100 ball nonsense, the same is true of other teams, including Somerset. In the end, we probably didn't deserve to progress and had we done so, we would doubtless have been left wanting in the quarter finals. At least a number of the youngsters have been blooded and hopefully some will progress into the first team proper in the not to distant future.

Read a rather concerning story elsewhere that OHD is destined for New Road next season. I do hope that is no more than a vicious rumour, I can't see why he would want to do that but if there's disquiet in the camp, perhaps he wants out and no doubt Worcs would be only too happy to snap him up. Worrying times.

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Overall I enjoyed last year's campaign in this more 4 wins 4 defeats than this year 4 wins 1 tie 3 losses.

I think some of the youngsters burst onto the scene last year whereas I think some are just a bit too young this year. I have seen quite a bit of Hamza, Amir Khan, George Maddy and Kai Smith of late in B'ham league and 2nds fixs so maybe it's that

Today felt a bit more exciting being a crunch must win game and our fielding looked sharp especially early on. I think there are certain senior players in that middle order (not that old either) that look like they're in the final stages of their Bears careers - and it's showing in their carelessness in getting out - slapping to point when we just needed to go at 4's for ten overs not really what was wanted at that stage

Garrett still raw but maybe OHD moving (if at all true) may open up a slot for him

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GerryShedd wrote:

I am amazed by some of the negativity on here. We were short (by my count) of 15 players today, had two sixteen year olds and a seventeen year old and didn't quite win.
Overall, with the resources that we had I thought we did well to come so close to qualifying - but maybe I'm just a naive fool.
Anyway, here's my report:
https://deepextracover.com/2022/08/warwickshire-v-somerset-royal-london-one-day-cup-edgbaston-stadium/

I believe between England, The Hundred and Injury Somerset were down 16 players. Also considering that we had the club captain, a test opener, 2 very experienced bowlers on OHD and Norwell, plus a player touted for an England call up in Yates, (not even counting a seasoned pro in Lamb), experience was definitely on our side. We can point to young players, but their young players outperformed ours. An 18 year old scored 90 and was the backbone of their innings.
Also factor in they had nothing to play for and had lost all their games, it’s not a pretty picture. They just played better, and considering the 2 sides, that shouldn’t have been the case.

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Forums are great places to exchange, or very simply air, views and opinions that often vary greatly. Disappointment in our chosen sporting team can often be described as negatively, and perhaps rightly so, who am I to say. My comments yesterday were a reflection on a day spent at Edgbaston watching a Warwickshire team that should have won the cricket game in which they were involved. They were not a reflection on players that weren't there, for whatever reason, or on the basis that we may not of progressed any further in this particular competition or that. We should have won due to a brave and impressive innings by Ethan Brooks, a cricketer who has never really impressed me but today did. Fantastic. We didn't win, in my opinion, because we managed the run chase poorly on the field with the current skipper directly involved and within the dressing room where either senior players coaches chose not to make simple and to my mind obvious changes to the batting line up. Just saying like.........
Up the Bears

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Forums are great places to exchange, or very simply air, views and opinions that often vary greatly. Disappointment in our chosen sporting team can often be described as negatively, and perhaps rightly so, who am I to say. My comments yesterday were a reflection on a day spent at Edgbaston watching a Warwickshire team that should have won the cricket game in which they were involved. They were not a reflection on players that weren't there, for whatever reason, or on the basis that we may not of progressed any further in this particular competition or that. We should have won due to a brave and impressive innings by Ethan Brooks, a cricketer who has never really impressed me but today did. Fantastic. We didn't win, in my opinion, because we managed the run chase poorly on the field with the current skipper directly involved and within the dressing room where either senior players coaches chose not to make simple and to my mind obvious changes to the batting line up. Just saying like.........
Up the Bears

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I agree that we are all here to state our own very different points of view and long may that be so!