No doubt about having been outplayed, even allowing for the big advantage of winning the toss. I'm not so sure about the suggestion of having been out-thought - Notts may have made a major blunder in batting too slowly and for too long on day three, which puts them at the mercy of the weather gods on day four.
GerryShedd wrote:
No doubt about having been outplayed, even allowing for the big advantage of winning the toss. I'm not so sure about the suggestion of having been out-thought - Notts may have made a major blunder in batting too slowly and for too long on day three, which puts them at the mercy of the weather gods on day four.
I’m praying you are right Terry but I don’t see how. We still have to score another 111 runs. They batted at 3.88 runs per over. We batted at 2.5 and 2.7. We picked five seamers. They already have a spinner with a wicket.
My forecast is showing only a possibility of rain in the morning and even that clearing around 3pm.
I’m not impressed with our coaching, captaincy or selection this season
I look forward to being wrong tomorrow!
You look at the scores on paper and its easy to poke at the batters, I get it. But from actually watching the game it's been clear that the biggest gap in quality has been the bowling. Tongue, Hutton and O'Neill have been brilliant. Tongue is genuinely quick, looks like he's up at around 90mph and accurate with it. Compare him to Booth, great kid, huge heart, doing well but Tongue is levels above him, quicker, taller, more penetrative. He hasn't played any First Class cricket for a good while up until a fortnight ago, imagine him at full pelt?! The figures may look unremarkable but every time he's had the ball in his hand he's looked a menace. Hutton has gotten more out if this pitch than OHD and Bamber (he's had a bad game) combined, I'd say his got a bit more nip than them both too. He's challenged the front pad throughout. O'Neill, I mean when you compare the Notts overseas bowler to our overseas bowler it's complete one way traffic. O'Neill is a bit quicker, a good bit taller and considerably more accurate, barely bowls a bad ball. Sets his own fields too and clearly has a good grasp of the game situations.
Imagine if Stone and Pennington played?!
Yes, the Notts bowling attack is way better than ours, but only a touch more experienced I'd say. We just lack pace, like last season, if it doesn't come with the new ball then it doesn't come at all. It's gonna be a problem at home particularly because the Edgbaston pitches are notably low and slow.
There's probably not that much between the batting line ups in terms of quality, and there is definitely something in this pitch, the Notts bowlers have been good enough to exploit it though, ours haven't.
A word on the batting, they did show fight at least, we may have got blown away this evening had we been in this situation last season. Maybe.
Met Office site says 80% chance of rain until 5pm.
Adding Latham, Webster and Bethell to the side would massively strengthen the top five of the order, as well as adding two good bowlers.
Changes to the top of the batting order are needed, and it would be a good idea for the club to see what top order batsmen are available on loan, as apart from Bethell we do not have any other batsmen on the staff that are ready for first team cricket.
The weather forecast looks helpful to the Bears today. A rain band moves west to east until this afternoon. Let's hope play gets abandoned! Notts may regret not declaring earlier yesterday.
Highveld wrote:
Adding Latham, Webster and Bethell to the side would massively strengthen the top five of the order, as well as adding two good bowlers.
Changes to the top of the batting order are needed, and it would be a good idea for the club to see what top order batsmen are available on loan, as apart from Bethell we do not have any other batsmen on the staff that are ready for first team cricket.
Latham at 3 would make a massive difference. Yes, one of the top two are likely to go cheaply - that's what happens to opening batsmen. A solid number 3 is then really important.
I think we have to forget about Bethell. He's too embedded with England and franchise cricket now, even if he can't get a game in the IPL.
We're still missing genuine pace in our bowling attack. Obviously Hasan Ali joining next month will help - fitness permitting. Chris Rushworth seems to be dogged by injury problems - he barely played last season and is out again. For a big club like Warwickshire we need to assess our recruitment with overseas players in particular.
Yeah this is utterly aggravating with Bethell. I could take him going to the IPL and playing, massive opportunity. But I don't think he's played a single game. For this reason, I think he'll get something with us when he gets back though. He's got an England contract and they need him to play. I'm pretty sure he can't just go off to another franchise comp, ie the American one, because he wants to.
UrsaMinor wrote:
Highveld wrote:
Adding Latham, Webster and Bethell to the side would massively strengthen the top five of the order, as well as adding two good bowlers.
Changes to the top of the batting order are needed, and it would be a good idea for the club to see what top order batsmen are available on loan, as apart from Bethell we do not have any other batsmen on the staff that are ready for first team cricket.
Latham at 3 would make a massive difference. Yes, one of the top two are likely to go cheaply - that's what happens to opening batsmen. A solid number 3 is then really important.
I think we have to forget about Bethell. He's too embedded with England and franchise cricket now, even if he can't get a game in the IPL.
BosworthBear wrote:
GerryShedd wrote:
No doubt about having been outplayed, even allowing for the big advantage of winning the toss. I'm not so sure about the suggestion of having been out-thought - Notts may have made a major blunder in batting too slowly and for too long on day three, which puts them at the mercy of the weather gods on day four.
In my defence, your Honour, may I quote the words of that esteemed expert, Mr George Dobell: "Given that forecast, might Nottinghamshire have batted with a little more intent on the third day? Or, indeed, declared? Well, they might. They managed only 52 in the first 22 overs of the day. "
I’m praying you are right Terry but I don’t see how. We still have to score another 111 runs. They batted at 3.88 runs per over. We batted at 2.5 and 2.7. We picked five seamers. They already have a spinner with a wicket.
My forecast is showing only a possibility of rain in the morning and even that clearing around 3pm.
I’m not impressed with our coaching, captaincy or selection this season
I look forward to being wrong tomorrow!
Anyway, my guess is that there will be some play from mid afternoon onwards, just time for OH-D to complete that maiden first-class half century that he covets.
A lot depends on how much rain falls. It it soaks the outfield it is not the choice of the fielding side who would go on in any weather with 4 wickets to get. The umpires will decide and if they think it is too slippery to field in, we stay off. I did mention on on Saturday, I think, that Notts should get 200 ahead and get us back in again. A lead of 270 was excessive as there was never going to be a time when we would have a lead, so why bat on. I have no sympathy with captains who do not look ahead to the weather forecast. Andy Lloyd was master of that, he made some great declarations based on allowing for rain at some point. Against Yorkshire in 1991, he batted on in the 3rd day for just45 mins of sedate batting and when the teams came off, the members thought he was mad giving Yorks 310 in 88 overs but he said there would be rain in mid afternoon, there was, it wiped off 10 overs but still gave us enough time to win.
GerryShedd wrote:
BosworthBear wrote:
GerryShedd wrote:
No doubt about having been outplayed, even allowing for the big advantage of winning the toss. I'm not so sure about the suggestion of having been out-thought - Notts may have made a major blunder in batting too slowly and for too long on day three, which puts them at the mercy of the weather gods on day four.
In my defence, your Honour, may I quote the words of that esteemed expert, Mr George Dobell: "Given that forecast, might Nottinghamshire have batted with a little more intent on the third day? Or, indeed, declared? Well, they might. They managed only 52 in the first 22 overs of the day. "
I’m praying you are right Terry but I don’t see how. We still have to score another 111 runs. They batted at 3.88 runs per over. We batted at 2.5 and 2.7. We picked five seamers. They already have a spinner with a wicket.
My forecast is showing only a possibility of rain in the morning and even that clearing around 3pm.
I’m not impressed with our coaching, captaincy or selection this season
I look forward to being wrong tomorrow!
I think (hope) it'll be a washout. Even if it stops raining after lunch it'll take sometime for the outfield to dry out. We've had several hours of persistent rain. We don't really deserve a draw, but it'll be a bonus.
Still a lot of rain, drying and batting left in the day. We certainly don't deserve to scrape out of this, but who cares, other teams get rain rescued and rejoice on their good fortune. For what it's worth, I think it will stop raining and we will continue to be blown away when we restart .......... I am not a pessimist, but I am an experienced optimist. so in short "What do I know". There are just two churches in Lee on the Solent, plus a couple in Stubbington and a few in Gosport, if I had time and the inclination I would visit them all, but it is too early in the season to seek divine intervention, I will save that for September.
Still a lot of rain, drying and batting left in the day. We certainly don't deserve to scrape out of this, but who cares, other teams get rain rescued and rejoice on their good fortune. For what it's worth, I think it will stop raining and we will continue to be blown away when we restart .......... I am not a pessimist, but I am an experienced optimist. so in short "What do I know". There are just two churches in Lee on the Solent, plus a couple in Stubbington and a few in Gosport, if I had time and the inclination I would visit them all, but it is too early in the season to seek divine intervention, I will save that for September.
Still a lot of rain, drying and batting left in the day. We certainly don't deserve to scrape out of this, but who cares, other teams get rain rescued and rejoice on their good fortune. For what it's worth, I think it will stop raining and we will continue to be blown away when we restart .......... I am not a pessimist, but I am an experienced optimist, so in short "What do I know". There are just two churches in Lee on the Solent, plus a couple in Stubbington and a few in Gosport, if I had time and the inclination I would visit them all, but it is too early in the season to seek divine intervention, I will save that for September.
Some bloke called Ethan Brookes is playing a lovely little innings down at Chelmsford right now...
The Holy Trinity of posts!
Worth looking at the on-line stream for the Chelmsford game before it's all over - Ethan Brookes blossoming.
Disgusting from Essex at the end there, Porter cheated.