Benjamin, Davies, Robinson can all sod off.
Moeen, Garton, and Gleeson shouldn’t be far behind them.

We must have invested more in the T20 team than anyone. Full of mercenaries and overinflated egos. Sacrificed a top championship team and achieved nothing.

Watched talent like Rhodes, Hose, Brookes walk out the door. Pissed off Barnard, Burgess is apparently similarly unsettled as Rhodes. All for nothing.
We had an opportunity to capitalise on a championship winning team, and Robinson apparently can only concentrate on 1 format at a time.
He plays favourites with no basis. Rewards mediocrity repeatedly. This should be it for Robinson.

They won’t resign, why would they? They will be determined to stay and do better. Any decision will need to be taken by the director of cricket, that is what he is paid to do.

If we had scraped through I wouldn’t have fancied our chances against any of the others at Finals day to be honest though, especially with Bethall and Mousley unavailable!

The squad is ok but lacks the match winners other counties seem to have. We’ve said all season that the batting unit is light of a power hitter and so it proved again.

Very disappointing

Larsen, the so called "performance director". Let's see him earn his money now because to date all he has done is bring in second rate cheap Kiwi players.

BristolBear wrote:

Benjamin, Davies, Robinson can all sod off.
Moeen, Garton, and Gleeson shouldn’t be far behind them.

We must have invested more in the T20 team than anyone. Full of mercenaries and overinflated egos. Sacrificed a top championship team and achieved nothing.

Watched talent like Rhodes, Hose, Brookes walk out the door. Pissed off Barnard, Burgess is apparently similarly unsettled as Rhodes. All for nothing.
We had an opportunity to capitalise on a championship winning team, and Robinson apparently can only concentrate on 1 format at a time.
He plays favourites with no basis. Rewards mediocrity repeatedly. This should be it for Robinson.

Devon_Bear wrote:

BristolBear wrote:

Benjamin, Davies, Robinson can all sod off.
Moeen, Garton, and Gleeson shouldn’t be far behind them.

We must have invested more in the T20 team than anyone. Full of mercenaries and overinflated egos. Sacrificed a top championship team and achieved nothing.

Watched talent like Rhodes, Hose, Brookes walk out the door. Pissed off Barnard, Burgess is apparently similarly unsettled as Rhodes. All for nothing.
We had an opportunity to capitalise on a championship winning team, and Robinson apparently can only concentrate on 1 format at a time.
He plays favourites with no basis. Rewards mediocrity repeatedly. This should be it for Robinson.

Don't forget Matt Lamb as well, a disgrace we let him go.

What words to use, 'weak', 'Insipid' or just good old 'Useless'. 139 and we couldn't even do that. And yet again (I seem to say this far too often) we lower ourselves to the level of a county with basic club bowlers, medium paced trundlers and spinners who cannot turn it an inch. Do we fit into our pre-season schedule, a few games against this type of side who have bowlers, none of whom would get into our side and yet we make them look like Malcolm Marshall's and Shane Warne's. I cannot remember a weaker chase in a one-day game than this in my 35 years as a member and even before then when all counties picked the same side as the CC. Why did we look so nervous and jittery when chasing such a small total, the bowlers must be thinking that they might as well have conceded 238 after their hard work in getting it back from 51-0(5) and I wouldn't want to be in that dressing room. I think we should have batted first and was surprised as we always look better when we set a score and squeeze a side with spin but that is such a low score that I cannot think we have failed to chase a smaller total since this competition started in 2003.

KingofSpain wrote:

Larsen, the so called "performance director". Let's see him earn his money now because to date all he has done is bring in second rate cheap Kiwi players.

Problem is Robinson was part of hiring Larsen. He was on the interviewing panel. He made a recommendation.
Which is ridiculous, how can he be part of hiring someone who’s supposed to be his boss?
The club really needs to sort its act out. Stop trying to be a conference centre, wedding location with a cricket pitch. Sort out the cricket operations side, invest properly, and compete on all fronts.
It’s simple but it takes proper leadership, question is do we have that. Recent history says no.

We should go back to playing as Warwickshire again

We might show more pride in our identity and heritage

The only team in world sport which doesn’t play under its own name!!!!

The dressing room is a comfortable place, even in defeat. Robinson will be telling them about the positives and sometimes you can lose games of cricket but it's OK because we have young players blah blah blah.
Get Trotty in, he will take no prisoners and install a winning mentality. Continually accepting failure is the start of a decline.

No doubt the club will announce long extentions for Davies, Yates, Lintott and Sheikh in the next few days, which will further demotivate and unsettle the core or players we should be building the side around.

Agree with Bosworth, get this Birmingham crap out of existence. Other defeats have been poor like last seasons but this is the worst, at least last year, Essex had good players but this lot we lost to tonight, I will instantly forget by next week. When the draw came up a few weeks ago, I thought that this should have been easy and well, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, are you reading this Robinson because you should be hearing what we are saying. We see it and and it hurts so why can't he. Rhodes did nothing wrong in T20 and now he will be consigned to a part of our history and Barnard has been treated poorly as has Burgess whilst Benjamin has stayed in the side for no reason other than he can keep wicket but so can Burgess and couldn't have done any worse than Benjamin. If the management piss off anyone else, they might find more people moving on.

A reset is needed. Starting with the reinstatement of Warwickshire Bears and binning off the Birmingham nonsense.

It has been 11 years with this silly name and it took bloody ages to get the club to put 'Warwickshire County Cricket Club' on the front of the building after myself and no doubt others kept on at the club to do something as 'Edgbaston' on the front, did not say who played there. Imagine if Manchester United didn't have their name on the front of their stadium and it just said 'Old Trafford', would the fans put up with that, no they would not and now we have our name on the front of our stadium, time to stop this city nonsense and maybe call ourselves Warwickshire Bears for the T20. We appear to be going backwards and good recruitment is massively important, the side from 2008-2017 was built on getting players from other counties who hadn't realised their full potential and became better once we got hold of them, Ambrose, Clarke, Rankin, Chopra, Botha and even Patel was an off-key choice with poor figures until he played more and then became the best county spinner around. What has gone so wrong that we are recruiting very ordinary players.

Nothing to add really, just a 'with hindsight' observation. Did the first two overs of each innings end up being the difference between two mediocre sides. what was it 26 or 27 off 2 compared to our 3?

Yes, we did well to hold them to 138, and there was a lot of cricket in between those overs and afterwards, did we approach the chase with a mis-placed arrogance?

Very disappointed.

Davies on BBC CWR:

"It is tough to take. I stood here last year with the same result but you have to take what positives you can. We've just had two guys selected for England on the back of their Blast form and we've finished top of the group three years running, so we must be doing something right. At halfway, we were happy with that score. It wasn't quite the pitch we thought it was. It was quite slow, turgid and attritional at times but we said if one guy bats through and gets 50 off 40 balls we'll be fine but that didn't happen.

It was the job of Moeen and myself to break the back of it. If we'd batted for 10 overs the rate would have dropped significantly, but that didn't pan out. They just kept taking wickets, and that's credit to them. And Jack Taylor captained brilliantly. He gambled by bowling David Payne for a third over and got Mo out, so he deserves credit for that."

So it was the pitch to blame for our poor batting performance, and Jack Taylor's brilliance as their captain. Yes, they did keep taking wickets but that was due to some shocking shot selection batting from Davies, Mousley, Bethell & Hain. Still, lets not mention that, sweep it under the carpet and take the positives. At least we can look forward to another quarter-final humiliation next season.

paulbear wrote:

It has been 11 years with this silly name and it took bloody ages to get the club to put 'Warwickshire County Cricket Club' on the front of the building after myself and no doubt others kept on at the club to do something as 'Edgbaston' on the front, did not say who played there. Imagine if Manchester United didn't have their name on the front of their stadium and it just said 'Old Trafford', would the fans put up with that, no they would not and now we have our name on the front of our stadium, time to stop this city nonsense and maybe call ourselves Warwickshire Bears for the T20. We appear to be going backwards and good recruitment is massively important, the side from 2008-2017 was built on getting players from other counties who hadn't realised their full potential and became better once we got hold of them, Ambrose, Clarke, Rankin, Chopra, Botha and even Patel was an off-key choice with poor figures until he played more and then became the best county spinner around. What has gone so wrong that we are recruiting very ordinary players.

Chasing 139 should not have been difficult, the Davies, Hain, Mousley and Bethel dismissals were all at a time when we had the game under control, and although the run rate was creeping up it was still manageable, keep the wickets in hand and you have players quite capable of stepping up in later overs even if the rate got up to 7 or 8.

KingofSpain wrote:

The dressing room is a comfortable place, even in defeat. Robinson will be telling them about the positives and sometimes you can lose games of cricket but it's OK because we have young players blah blah blah.
Get Trotty in, he will take no prisoners and install a winning mentality. Continually accepting failure is the start of a decline.

I agree with all the posters since that atrocious performance last night. The abysmal management of Robinson, the awful batting coaching of Frost, the lack of leadership of Larsen, the obsession with the Birmingham BRAND (at the expense of the Warwickshire name) and the terrible selections / on-field (including toss) decisions.

A SERIOUS re-appraisal is essential NOW - with announcements of radical change at the end of this season. Larsen needs to step up to the plate. Robinson should go - to be replaced by Trott. Frost should go - to be replaced (by Bell or ANYONE with a decent batting coaching pedigree). Davies should go as Captain - to be replaced by Barnard. The (rapidly) ageing short term contract players (Rushworth, Gleeson, Moeen) should be released. The non-performing short term overseas players should go and the whole Overseas recruitment programme drastically re-assessed. As should the approach to recruitment from other Counties (how do we regularly get it so wrong - and yet others so often seem to deliver). And finally (sorry for this, I am so upset!), we do desperately need to get rid of our 'deadwood' - those players who consistently fail to perform (even if they have the occasional 'golden' moment) or don't contribute over all formats of the game - Benjamin, Miles, Garton etc.

It's a hell of a mess and it needs a hell of lot of sorting (which could well take longer than a year), but it HAS to start now.

I’ve written a friendly email to Stuart Cain about playing under our correct name. Let’s hope he listens. I noticed the crowd chanting Warwickshire la la la last night! It is our identity and heritage!

There are a lot of justifiably angry supporters around, a look at the Bears twitter feed will tell you everything you need to know about how they are feeling. Very similar to the Lancs supporters after their drubbing by Sussex.

A team full of experience and prodigious talent to bottle it like that is inexcusable. Only needed 2 batters to stay focused to knock off those runs at under 7 an over.

Personally I don’t think the management or recruitment are to blame, there are times when each individual player needs to take a hard look at themselves and be accountable.

Inside-edge wrote:

There are a lot of justifiably angry supporters around, a look at the Bears twitter feed will tell you everything you need to know about how they are feeling. Very similar to the Lancs supporters after their drubbing by Sussex.

A team full of experience and prodigious talent to bottle it like that is inexcusable. Only needed 2 batters to stay focused to knock off those runs at under 7 an over.

Personally I don’t think the management or recruitment are to blame, there are times when each individual player needs to take a hard look at themselves and be accountable.

If you wonder where it all went wrong? I give you your county captain!
https://youtu.be/LyqK3vCj7qo?si=rVq-KSMJvL7HqbGZ