Got closer than I thought we would but the early wickets did for us.
Got closer than I thought we would but the early wickets did for us.
Excellent from Sam, and Jacob, again, hower the top 3 failed again, and too many runs were conceded .
Too many players are allowed to underperform every game with no consequences.
Highveld wrote:
Excellent from Sam, and Jacob, again, hower the top 3 failed again, and too many runs were conceded .
Too many players are allowed to underperform every game with no consequences.
It’s the same in every format.
We reward mediocrity. We’ve gone so far beyond showing faith in players.
What are the standards?
This is the issue we’ve had in previous years. Heavily reliant on 1 or 2 players who carry the batting and bowling. But remain obviously weak in certain areas, and these aren’t addressed. Then we expect that to be ok when we play the very best teams.
Highveld wrote:
Excellent from Sam, and Jacob, again, hower the top 3 failed again, and too many runs were conceded .
Too many players are allowed to underperform every game with no consequences.
Like who? I mean apart from Benjamin obviously.
BristolBear wrote:
Highveld wrote:
Excellent from Sam, and Jacob, again, hower the top 3 failed again, and too many runs were conceded .
Too many players are allowed to underperform every game with no consequences.
It’s the same in every format.
We reward mediocrity. We’ve gone so far beyond showing faith in players.
What are the standards?
This is the issue we’ve had in previous years. Heavily reliant on 1 or 2 players who carry the batting and bowling. But remain obviously weak in certain areas, and these aren’t addressed. Then we expect that to be ok when we play the very best teams.
Disagree with this to a point, we've got 3 batters in Hain, Bethell and Mousley (I'm glad we did keep faith with the latter two) who are giving us good runs in most games and with regards to the bowling our spinners, as a unit, get the job done almost every time.
Who, Benjamin aside perhaps, shouldn't be in the side? Keep in mind the likes of Miles and probably Foulkes wouldn't be in the side if others were fit. They are just injury fill ins.
Hain & Bethell nearly pulled that off with some shots from Garton thrown in.
I am concerned that our seamers have lost control of games recently which negates the good work our spinners put in. Northants were struggling until Miles gave them 16 runs in one over and got Zaib off to a flyer by bowling pies.........once his eye was in, we were not going to contain him and then we were wayward again whenever a seamer came on.
Barnard would give us some help as a genuine AR and we could then bring in Burgess for Benjamin. Drop Miles as imo we only need 3 seamers and bring in Yates to open. Plenty of batting and bowling options with those changes.
Andy wrote:
BristolBear wrote:
Highveld wrote:
Excellent from Sam, and Jacob, again, hower the top 3 failed again, and too many runs were conceded .
Too many players are allowed to underperform every game with no consequences.
It’s the same in every format.
We reward mediocrity. We’ve gone so far beyond showing faith in players.
What are the standards?
This is the issue we’ve had in previous years. Heavily reliant on 1 or 2 players who carry the batting and bowling. But remain obviously weak in certain areas, and these aren’t addressed. Then we expect that to be ok when we play the very best teams.Disagree with this to a point, we've got 3 batters in Hain, Bethell and Mousley (I'm glad we did keep faith with the latter two) who are giving us good runs in most games and with regards to the bowling our spinners, as a unit, get the job done almost every time.
Who, Benjamin aside perhaps, shouldn't be in the side? Keep in mind the likes of Miles and probably Foulkes wouldn't be in the side if others were fit. They are just injury fill ins.
Benjamin, Davies, Yates and Moeen haven’t been good enough with the bat.
You can say Foulkes and Miles wouldn’t be playing. But we chose to sign Foulkes over playing Booth or OHD. And Miles has played plenty of this format in the last few years. Plus everyone has injuries. Rare for any side these days to put out their first choice XI every match.
Garton is underperforming, especially when you consider this is the only format he plays for us.
Briggs and Lintott have been good. Gleeson was good before injury (another 1 format wonder). Mousley has been good with the ball too.
So you walk out each match, trusting only half the team. That works fine in the group stages as we’ve seen plenty of times before. Because more than half the games we play are against weaker teams, who have even less reliable players than we do.
But against the top teams in the QF, you need the depth because you need more than 1 or 2 players to come off in each discipline.
So you acknowledge that we've not been reliant on just 1 or 2 players then?
You say it's rare for any side to be putting out their strongest XI at this point of the season, indeed, and we're still topping our group looking at another 1/4 final.
We've not done badly thus far.
The meltdowns on here after we lose are incredible sometimes.
BristolBear wrote:
Watching Benjamin play makes me angry. What is Robinson trying to prove?
He’s so out of form, batting poorly, keeping worse and yet apparently undroppable.
It is pathetic management that Benjamin is still being selected after 13 games with an average of less than 10. Yet Burgess hasn't had a look in. What message does that give to the fringe players?
We certainly won't win this competition with a passenger.
Great effort to get close from 11/3. Hain, Bethell and Garton can hold their heads high.
We gave them 20 runs too many with poor bowling and fielding.
Miles is just not good enough and the Kiwi is bang average. Hopefully those two can be replaced by Gleeson and Hassan for the quarter final.
Northants are a useful side but we will face better teams in the knockout phase.
Andy wrote:
So you acknowledge that we've not been reliant on just 1 or 2 players then?
You say it's rare for any side to be putting out their strongest XI at this point of the season, indeed, and we're still topping our group looking at another 1/4 final.
We've not done badly thus far.
The meltdowns on here after we lose are incredible sometimes.
Reliant on 1 or 2 with bat and ball. So 2 in each, 3 or 4 all together was what I was going for.
And perhaps it was an exaggeration but it’s not far wrong either. Far closer than ‘everyone is contributing’.
Maybe my standards are higher than yours. You might be happy with 3 years of quarter final losses. If so you’ve had a great 3 years.
But we’ve spent a significant amount of money on this T20 squad, recruited a lot of T20 only players. Recruited so heavily in favour of t20 to the point that’s it’s clearly damaged the championship side. So the frame of reference for success isn’t one match or getting through the group. This side was built and targeted at winning the entire thing. Probably more so than any other side.
And yet, the mistakes of years past are currently being replayed again.
Being outplayed man on man, anyone can live with. But currently they’re making selection and tactical decisions that are hurting this side.
All I want is to give themselves the best chance to win when they walk out on that field. And currently they’re not.
And as I said, I’m not looking at this through the lens of 1 match, or the group stage. I’m looking at this through the lens of success is winning the competition. The amount of resource and effort that’s gone into this team, at the detriment of other areas, making the final is the minimum now. And currently we’re heading straight for another repeat of years gone by.
Carried by key players. Obvious weaknesses for all to see. Those weaknesses aren’t addressed or even acknowledged, and then they get exposed when playing a top side.
So my apologies that my standards, or was it meltdown, are beyond belief. But the club set this direction of travel, they’ve made the decision that this is the priority at the detriment of the championship side, and so they should be held to that. It’s much bigger than 1 game.
KingofSpain wrote:
Great effort to get close from 11/3. Hain, Bethell and Garton can hold their heads high.
We gave them 20 runs too many with poor bowling and fielding.
Miles is just not good enough and the Kiwi is bang average. Hopefully those two can be replaced by Gleeson and Hassan for the quarter final.
Northants are a useful side but we will face better teams in the knockout phase.
100% agree with this. Add Gleeson and Hassan and the bowling is then at the same strength as the batting, a more balanced side. Anyone can have a bad game but with a balanced side it doesn’t impact the game as much.
BristolBear wrote:
Andy wrote:
So you acknowledge that we've not been reliant on just 1 or 2 players then?
You say it's rare for any side to be putting out their strongest XI at this point of the season, indeed, and we're still topping our group looking at another 1/4 final.
We've not done badly thus far.
The meltdowns on here after we lose are incredible sometimes.
Reliant on 1 or 2 with bat and ball. So 2 in each, 3 or 4 all together was what I was going for.
And perhaps it was an exaggeration but it’s not far wrong either. Far closer than ‘everyone is contributing’.Maybe my standards are higher than yours. You might be happy with 3 years of quarter final losses. If so you’ve had a great 3 years.
But we’ve spent a significant amount of money on this T20 squad, recruited a lot of T20 only players. Recruited so heavily in favour of t20 to the point that’s it’s clearly damaged the championship side. So the frame of reference for success isn’t one match or getting through the group. This side was built and targeted at winning the entire thing. Probably more so than any other side.
And yet, the mistakes of years past are currently being replayed again.
Being outplayed man on man, anyone can live with. But currently they’re making selection and tactical decisions that are hurting this side.
All I want is to give themselves the best chance to win when they walk out on that field. And currently they’re not.
And as I said, I’m not looking at this through the lens of 1 match, or the group stage. I’m looking at this through the lens of success is winning the competition. The amount of resource and effort that’s gone into this team, at the detriment of other areas, making the final is the minimum now. And currently we’re heading straight for another repeat of years gone by.
Carried by key players. Obvious weaknesses for all to see. Those weaknesses aren’t addressed or even acknowledged, and then they get exposed when playing a top side.So my apologies that my standards, or was it meltdown, are beyond belief. But the club set this direction of travel, they’ve made the decision that this is the priority at the detriment of the championship side, and so they should be held to that. It’s much bigger than 1 game.
I appreciate what you're saying about the recruitment and how the side has been built and I agree the way the club has prioritised this comp to the detriment of others has been almost crass but you're acting like we've lost our quarter final match already. It's about 6/7 weeks away.
Inside-edge wrote:
KingofSpain wrote:
Great effort to get close from 11/3. Hain, Bethell and Garton can hold their heads high.
We gave them 20 runs too many with poor bowling and fielding.
Miles is just not good enough and the Kiwi is bang average. Hopefully those two can be replaced by Gleeson and Hassan for the quarter final.
Northants are a useful side but we will face better teams in the knockout phase.100% agree with this. Add Gleeson and Hassan and the bowling is then at the same strength as the batting, a more balanced side. Anyone can have a bad game but with a balanced side it doesn’t impact the game as much.
It's curious how the narrative has changed over time. After the first 4 or 5 games everyone had huge concerns over our batting and acknowledged that the strength of our bowling was winning us matches, now that seems to have flipped on its head over the past week.
my best eleven would be in batting order.
Yates
Davies
Ali
Hain
Bettell
Mouseley
Briggs
Garton
Ali
Lintott
Gleeson
bobmac wrote:
my best eleven would be in batting order.
Yates
Davies
Ali
Hain
Bettell
Mouseley
Briggs
Garton
Ali
Lintott
Gleeson
My team too, hopefully they're all fit come September.
bobmac wrote:
my best eleven would be in batting order.
Yates
Davies
Ali
Hain
Bettell
Mouseley
Briggs
Garton
Ali
Lintott
Gleeson
Personally, I would switch Garton for Barnard as he adds a genuine option with both bat & ball..........we dont usually bowl 12 overs of seam either so we could share out those overs between Gleeson, Ali & Barnard and retain genuine 7 batters against what will be better bowling outfits. Yates & Davies could go after the bowling 1st couple of overs without worrying too much about losing a wicket.
I would choose the following as our best eleven:
Yates
Barnard
Mousley
Hain
Bethell
Moeen Ali
Burgess
Garton
Briggs (Capt)
Lintott
OHD
As we are now definitely in the quarter-finals, why not pick the likes of Burgess & OHD? I would have them in ahead of Benjamin & Miles anyday.