The_Lickey_Banker
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https://edgbaston.com/news/coaching-role-changes-ahead-of-23-campaign/
3 'Assistant' Coaches appointed, alongside First Team Coach (Robinson) and Senior Coach - Bowling (Barnes). In other words, what appears a demotion for Frost (who is now just designated 'Lead Batting Coach') and promotions for Westwood (now 'Assistant First Team Coach') & Sheikh ('Second Team Coach' - assisted by Frost for Batting & Andrew Sutton for Bowling).
No mention of Trotty's 'Batting Consultant' role.
https://edgbaston.com/news/warwickshire-return-from-south-africa-pre-season-tour/
Full report on the games played against Northants, Loughborough UCCE and Yorkshire on the South African tour
https://edgbaston.com/news/report-bears-v-loughborough-uni-pre-season-t20/
2 more T20 Friendly wins in South Africa.
farmerbob wrote:
Scorecard and video clips for the first match are here. Hopefully same for Yorkshire match later.
Thanks for the link for the Northants scorecard - interesting reading. The card for the Yorkshire game won't be given at this late stage, but we can hope that other Tour games might be shown.
Mikkyk wrote:
Any scorecards available for these two games, or just the reports?
Just the reports. I guess that's all we'll get on this tour.
When you compare Larsen's CV to Simon Insley's (who apparently was first choice for the DoC job), it seems amazing we didn't go for him first. Insley had no Cricket playing background and only got into Cricket Management, through his Physiotherapy work. Larsen is a 'proper' Cricket guy, an experienced First Class and International player, with much longer (and more wide ranging) background in Management - the commercial side, contracts and team selection.
I'm quite excited by his appointment. He could be as good for us on the Management side, as his compatriot, McCullum is, Coaching England!
GerryShedd wrote:
Mr Cain says: " We want the person to focus on high performance outputs and to get the best out of our players. We’ve not moved away from our principles but we want someone who understands the changing face of modern cricket, the increasing influence of the franchise game, and the mindset of contemporary players."
And of course none of that would apply to a Director of Cricket - or would it?
Exactly. My reading of the PD job description, is that it could well be the same as that for a DoC. I would think the term Performance Director allows us to recruit a (non-Cricket based) 'Sporting Director' - perhaps from football or rugby - whereas a DoC would come from a cricket background.
https://edgbaston.com/news/warwickshire-agm-members-warm-welcome-for-new-club-president-amiss/
So, the club are soon to appoint a 'Performance Director', rather than a, "traditional Director of Cricket". From what's said, I don't know what the difference will be?!
In his first match for MI Emirates, Dan got 31 NO, going in at No 5. And took 1 for 10 in his 2 overs.
Bald_Reynard wrote:
BristolBear wrote:
Both strike me as odd candidates, especially considering the club has approached them.
I wonder if the role isn’t as popular as the club expected.
Silverwood did well as a coach, but hasn’t been a DoC as far as I’m aware. Plus I imagine Sri Lanka would want some compensation which is never ideal.
Irani wasn’t just unpopular over the alcohol accusations if memory serves me right. Plus whilst Essex did well during his reign, I’m not sure how much he contributed, and how much was good timing, considering they had a great crop of home grown youngsters on the squad when he took up his position, plus they had a lot of Alastair Cook after he stepped down from England.https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/cricket/essex-ronnie-irani-alastair-cook-25189227
You're right BB, Irani fell out with a few at Essex, not just Cook. He's obviously a fairly abrasive character and one who perhaps finds it difficult to delegate, or let go of day to day 'hands on' control. I'm not sure how that would go down at Edgbaston - and particularly how he'd get on with Robinson.
I agree with BR about Irani. A decent record, but a difficult management style, which will have to be dealt with. And I agree with BB, Silverwood has a good Coaching pedigree, but his lack of DoC / Senior Management experience, is a sizeable hindrance.
If the Board feel that either can overcome (or progress from) those negatives, then I suppose both could be decent appointments, but that is a big ask.
GerryShedd wrote:
The Club currently turning over stones to discover the missing Director of Cricket:
'Warwickshire’s search for a Director of Cricket continues, with the Club committed to finding the right person to bring long-term success to Edgbaston, after the candidate offered the job unexpectedly turned it down for personal reasons.Chief Executive Stuart Cain, said: “It’s incredibly frustrating, but after two months of conversation, the individual concerned decided not to accept the role.
"So we continue to speak to candidates who match the profile and will appoint as quickly as possible, but this appointment is for the long term and if it takes us a few months longer than we would have hoped then so be it.
“The delay won’t hinder plans for next season.
“Mark Robinson is a highly experienced Head Coach, supported by long standing Bears, Ian Westwood, and Tony Frost, as well as the new bowling coach, Stuart Barnes. They have put together a plan to address the issues we faced last year and make sure we challenge for honours across red and white ball cricket next season which the players support.
"They’re ready to hit the indoor nets hard in January, with the new signings already bringing a fresh edge to things.
“There is then the wider team who are also cracking on with their jobs. Gary Barwell is one of the best Groundsmen in the game, Paul Greetham runs an excellent talent pathway, Gerhard Mostert is one of the county circuit’s best Heads of Medicine and Keith Cook is running things behind the scenes in the same way as he has done for more than 20 years.
“We know that the team is in good hands and shaping up well for the season ahead. We will keep Members updated on developments regarding the Director of Cricket.”'
So who was it that turned the job down? And what happened to the other two who were supposedly on the short-list?
Could it be Giles, having second thoughts on ANOTHER return?
Although Highveld pointed out that we have a new Bowling Coach in the Farbrace thread, I think such an important appointment, needs it's own thread. However, I agree with him, that Barnes does appear to have a good pedigree and seems to be a positive acquisition.
Jordan Bulpitt's been mentioned a couple of times in this Winter thread, he didn't play that much for the 2nds this season (and not at all in the RLC), is he on any contract (Summer or otherwise)? I hope so, he is a promising left arm seamer.
I think the only omission from the Review, was no mention of Matt Lamb being released, despite being so high in the batting averages (with 48).
BristolBear wrote:
How, even in the brutal environment of professional sport, can any club can offer more loyalty and support to someone like Davies who’s been there for 5 seconds, looked like he couldn’t care less half the time, and played poorly, than to someone like Matt Lamb? A player who’s been at the club since he was 10 or 11, plays with passion for the club every match, and performed well. It’s just bewildering.
It’s the sort of decision making you see in failed businesses all the time. People too arrogant, stubborn or deluded to admit a mistake, so they double down on their error by backing it further. And by the time it’s so obvious even they can’t deny they’ve made a mistake, it’s too late.
I’m just hoping it’s not too late, but I look at the loss of Stone, Hose, Sibley, Lamb, Sidebottom, potentially Burgess. And I see the players who are lined up to take their places and be big parts of the side; likes of Davies, Yates, Bethell, Mousley, Benjamin, Johal, Ethan Brookes, and at this moment I can’t see an improvement. The likes of Yates and Davies need a complete turn around in form. And the younger players need to come of age and start delivering more than just potential.
Completely agree with all you've said BB. The whole situation regarding contracts, selection policy and Coaching appointments has been a total shambles this season. I guess Farbrace must take most of the blame as DoC, but I'm sure Robinson must also be responsible for many of the decisions.
Farbrace going and the possibility of a new Director starting afresh on all those matters might be a help, but I'm not holding my breath, as I'm sure all the previous decisions on contracts (for players and Coaches) will still be in place and Robinson will still be there, to make sure his ridiculous team selections continue.
BristolBear wrote:
Not sure I’ll ever see figures like that from a Bears bowler again.
I’m ecstatic and terrified in equal measure. So relieved we escaped.
But I’m hoping they don’t just gloss over this season, put it down to injuries and move on. They’re celebrating right now. But I hope they realise this isn’t an achievement.
There’s been some awful decisions and performances this year, and if they just carry on the same next year, it’ll go the same way again, except I think you only get one miracle like that in a lifetime.
Completely agree with you BB, it was an amazing result and one of the best bowling performances in recent history (LN deserves every plaudit), but I sincerely hope Management don’t hold this up as a triumph for their selections (in this and other games). We got out of jail, by the skin of our teeth and without that one man, we'd be well and truly bu**ered.
The powers that be MUST learn from the huge mistakes they've made. They must listen to Members and hold their hands up for major changes to Coaching structure, selection policy, contract negotiations and Captaincy choice. Only then will Norwell's efforts be properly rewarded.
Bald_Reynard wrote:
Mikkyk wrote:
I'd bring in Lamb for Bethell and Burgess for Yates.
As poor as Davies has been the rest of the season, he has to stay in the side for his knock in the second innings.
Assuming Siraj won't be available again, I would bring Johal in on the basis Sidebottom and Garrett are both out of contract, and neither should be renewed imo, so may as well give the lad who will be here next year a game.
I agree with much of that Mikkyk. Davies probably needs to be kept in as a batter. Lamb and Burgess SHOULD be back for Yates and Bethell, but I'm not holding my breath.
But I don't think Johal deserves a place, he's had a poor season for the 2nds. I'd probably stick with Sidebottom (not least because it almost certainly be Ryan's last game for us, but he's never really let us down and given the lack of chances he's had recently, I think he deserves a fond farewell).
And I wonder if Lintott might be given a red ball run out, in place of Briggs. JL has been Captaining in the 2nds Championship recently (and getting a lot of wickets, cheaply), so Management must feel he can do the 'proper stuff' - and Briggs has hardly done much with the ball this season.
I'd stay with Sidebottom for Hampshire. In his last game for the 2nd's, a couple of weeks ago, he took 6 for 28, off 8 overs. In fact, it was his only game for the Seconds, as he was playing for Derbyshire (1st's) in the first half of the season and then got injured. I think he deserves one last chance for us - I'm sure he will be leaving soon - he has never really let us down and on occasion, has been devastating. I remember his 6 for 35 (and 10 for 96 overall) in the match against Northants in 2018.
Johal has had a terrible season for the 2nd's - bowled in 13 innings and taken just 13 wickets, at an average of 60 ! If we hadn't given him a 3 year contract recently (one of the many crazy Management decisions this year !), he would surely have been on his way now.
If he does go to Durham, it will be because he wants to do a 'Pollock' and prove he can perform in the red ball game. Pollock has done OK (no more than that, so far) at New Road this season, he never got any chance at Edgbaston. The same with Hose. I don't blame them.