Thanks Terry. Was anyone at this forum and get a sense of the mood? This write up seems very defensive on the overseas player sitn. Seems the message of the last few days has been "Everything that could have gone wrong has gone wrong (and it's not our fault)".

Agree with your point that Barnard would be a great captaincy pick, he leads by experience and he's talismanic. He typifies the spirit and the style in which Warks play (or want to play).

Don't think Robinson or Davies will go as soon as that though, or even in the off season, however the club do seem to be taking this review seriously.

Highveld wrote:

It would be better if Robinson and Davies resigned today.

Appoint Ed Barnard as captain and make Ian Westwood interim head coach.

Davies should not be involved at Trent Bridge, to allow the new captain and coach the maximum opportunity to make a fresh start.

3 for 4 is actually hilariously bad, especially with Snater biffing it around first thing.

Up to each individual. Personally I'd say if you're talking about whether x doesn't get on with y and you don't 100% know the truth (none of us can be on top of every dressing room discussion) then I'd call it gossip.

Tragically that's probably more entertaining than what happened today, couldn't even get Somerset to put away Lancashire. Paul mentioned that the end of the season couldn't come soon enough, I kind of agree with a slight exception - they can still finish by playing a bit better. Robinson's "Take momentum into the off season" was pure bad management speak but I know what he's getting at. Let's not approach off season business on the back foot.

Rayb wrote:

Tayls79 wrote:

I'd honestly give speculating about relationships in the squad a miss. We'll never know the true situation. We don't know whether it is disharmonious, toxic or anything else. In any other working environment it would be and should be here, confidential. All we do here by speculating on it is gossip.

I thought that is what sports forums are for? In addition there seems to be sufficient evidence to suggest that it’s way beyond gossip. It’s not gossip that’s doing for Hain, Yates, etc

I'd honestly give speculating about relationships in the squad a miss. We'll never know the true situation. We don't know whether it is disharmonious, toxic or anything else. In any other working environment it would be and should be here, confidential. All we do here by speculating on it is gossip.

Porter/Cook plus an early start this was probably predictable. Is it Dukes or Kook ball this round? Rhodes and Hamza stopped the rot at Worcester so let's see if they can do the same here and show some of that resilience ai mentioned.

Presably only one spinner and says no Mousley so that must mean:

Yates
Davies
Rhodes
Hain
Hamza
Barnard
Burgess
Briggs
Miles
Rushworth
OHD.

Lost to the eventual champions. I call that fifth place...

Interesting point re comparison with Troughton. England are definitely better at selection than they were so I don't think Jacob and Dan will do a Troughton. It's definitely worth pointing out that their selection wasn't based on output though, more on potential. Both fizzled out a bit in the Crisp tournament. Don't know if that helps them or not.

Forgot about Ethan Bamber. I think Rushworth must be close to retirement so to replace him...

ExiledBrummie wrote:

paulbear wrote:

Well done Will, again. The fact that he does not need to play an innings like that, speaks volumes. He could have easily played a pretty 60 and sat in the pavilion with his feet up but he got stuck in and got the draw which looked unlikely after yesterday mornings debacle. The management should hang their heads for letting him go. Great not to lose to our neighbours and keep our 'Unbeaten v Worcs in CC since 2000', going. I think Shaikh will get a good run in the side but as we have said on here, a good overseas player is needed but who? Batsman or bowler? Retired from Tests or not? Would love a big, nasty fast bowler who could play a whole season.

Yes me too, or a spinner like Harmer!! I take it Ethan Bamber is more a successor to OHD and Rushworth?

Always had my eye on Marco Janssen. Fast, left arm, bounce, can bat at eight. South African so probably not too expensive and could normally play the whole season (not all 2025 as SAf tour). It's fantasy cricket though, I think if he was a CC possibility he would have done it by now.

paulbear wrote:

Well done Will, again. The fact that he does not need to play an innings like that, speaks volumes. He could have easily played a pretty 60 and sat in the pavilion with his feet up but he got stuck in and got the draw which looked unlikely after yesterday mornings debacle. The management should hang their heads for letting him go. Great not to lose to our neighbours and keep our 'Unbeaten v Worcs in CC since 2000', going. I think Shaikh will get a good run in the side but as we have said on here, a good overseas player is needed but who? Batsman or bowler? Retired from Tests or not? Would love a big, nasty fast bowler who could play a whole season.

Yup. Raining now as well so I think that just about wraps up a draw. Hope Hamza gets the chance to bat on a bit further. I've seen plenty of good 30s from him, a fifty when under pressure would do him a lot of good I think.

Despite the obvious downer feel at the moment, there have been a few occasions this year when they've rallied after a setback and shown resilience. More of this!

So realistically need to bat until tea tomorrow, bit of rain would help, and that should get a draw.

The Blast defeat was gutting for a couple of reasons and the most immediate here is it's meant the end of the season. Looks like Lancashire have all the momentum for relegation so don't think we really need to fight to avoid that. With it being the end of the season it's also pretty obvious the team has played below its' ability more often than at it or beyond it. And that's depressing. As others have said I think the batting is nearly there. If Simmons does properly break through next season that's one fast bowler and comes down to OS recruitment for another.

Ah, some major differences in the wealth distribution. 38% to non-hosts, which is nowhere near as much of an issue as 1%, which would be an outrage. The Grumbler doesn't have a source, presumably it was presented at Essex AGM and they just took a note of it. Could be a mistake, could have been specific to different modelled circumstances in the MCC v Essex sitn. I've tried to link to the tweet below, have to see if it works. Where all this money comes from and what price will be extracted for it I won't get into.

To the wider debate, it's not clear where this split of the 49% ultimately goes, but you strongly suspect it's not going to favour smaller counties. That's where the influencable bit comes though. Looks like the sale we can't stop but where the money goes can be.

You can see a dystopian conclusion where Edgbaston holds 38,000 and is never filled. While Leicestershire and Gloucs have gone bust and the eight franchises fill even more of the calendar.

As to when this happens I guess it's AGM 2025. I'm willing to do something about it, bit I'm not a Warks member and I live in West London, not far from Lords. As a Finance Communications manager I can do stuff though.

https://x.com/The_Grumbler/status/1831075486522372558

Reabank wrote:

Another attempt to get the link to work.
https://substack.com/@richardbentley2/p-147203084

Ah, some major differences in the wealth distribution. 38% to non-hosts, which is nowhere near as much of an issue as 1%, which would be an outrage. The Grumbler doesn't have a source, presumably it was presented at Essex AGM and they just took a note of it. Could be a mistake, could have been specific to different modelled circumstances in the MCC v Essex sitn. I've tried to link to the tweet below, have to see if it works. Where all this money comes from and what price will be extracted for it I won't get into.

To the wider debate, it's not clear where this split of the 49% ultimately goes, but you strongly suspect it's not going to favour smaller counties. That's where the influencable bit comes though. Looks like the sale we can't stop but where the money goes can be.

You can see a dystopian conclusion where Edgbaston holds 38,000 and is never filled. While Leicestershire and Gloucs have gone bust and the eight franchises fill even more of the calendar.

As to when this happens I guess it's AGM 2025. I'm willing to do something about it, bit I'm not a Warks member and I live in West London, not far from Lords. As a Finance Communications manager I candour stuff though.

https://x.com/The_Grumbler/status/1831075486522372558

Reabank wrote:

Another attempt to get the link to work.
https://substack.com/@richardbentley2/p-147203084

Saw an interesting update to this on Twiiter from an account called "The Grumbler".

They were at Essex AGM and was announced that Essex had rejected the sale of the 100 franchises in full. Apparently 5 or 6 other counties are similar. It then says it doesnt matter, as the ECB isnt asking for approval, irs just advisory and they will do what they want. They go on to say the sale of the 49% share would net the hosting county (ie Warks) by about 100 times more than the other counties.

Seems an astonishing figure and one that definitely answers that question of whether the wealth will be distributed. Seems anyone who is not the ECB can't really influence anything.

On this thread, Terry and Reabank both articulate what Warks members could do - but all that could produce would be a WCCC recommendation or stated position as far as I can see.

My read of both those articles was it's a very likely scenario that seemingly still raised a whole load of questions about liability. I see Pakistan's point of view about handing him over fit and him then getting injured so Warwicks have to pay for rehab. Perhaps it was brought into sharper focus by finance issues with PCB. However I don't see anything in this that binds him to Warks after that rehab is complete. More we just have to pay and treat him.

Yeah, seems Lancashire are now the favourites to go down with Kent. A week ago I remember saying we needed a win v Somerset and although I still think that was true at the time, you can see we now have the same win/loss/draw as Notts but are 16 points ahead, most of which are batting bonus points. Seems you can get somewhere racking up huge first innings scores under Kookabura and drawing games. Just will never be more than mid table.

His contract has some stipulation for play-as-you-play for red ball as I recall. I was noodling this when Mouseley and Bethell got called up (and of course Mo didn't). There's one CC game when both are away he could play that would be a lifesaver. I don't know if he's got it in him to play a lot of red ball, having said that, can't see him playing all the CC run-in and Mousley will be back after this one game.

white-lightning wrote:

When Moeen signed his white ball contract, I thought he said he would be open to some red ball cricket, if required? If so, as England have dropped him he could solve the spinner role?

Seems like an eventful morning. I notice from cricinfo there have been two fives hit as well. Scoring rate has been high. Have Kent been getting out while trying to sustain a quick pace?