Yeah I'm not sure Barnard or H Brookes have hit either of theirs.

But doesn't take away from the really poor batting from us. Got to start questioning our mentality in knockout games since Robinson came in.

Was it 82 this lot bowled us out for last season? A very concerning trend.

That batting display was frankly embarrassing.

I am about done with this coaching set up to be honest.

Every time we are involved in a knock out game we get absolutely nailed. Not just a defeat but rank embarrassment.

We were in contention for at least a top 2/3 finish in the championship and lost 2 on the trot quite meekly as well.

There is a mentality issue that will only be fixed by getting rid of weak leadership and putting people in place who can get the best out of the players that we have at the club, actually leadership that demands better from the players.

It is time Robinson left, I do not see how he can come back from this failure, it is one too many.

Not just the management etc, I do wonder if some of our players are just not as good as we think they are. For example, Hain aside would you ever trust any of our batters in a tough situation? We need better quality/attitude.

ExiledBrummie wrote:

Not just the management etc, I do wonder if some of our players are just not as good as we think they are. For example, Hain aside would you ever trust any of our batters in a tough situation? We need better quality/attitude.

Yes, I agree but that too comes down to the management as it is them that recruit & hand out the contracts. Cricket has a much smaller pool of players and clubs than football but if the coach & DOF (and therefore should know the players characters well enough)at one of the biggest clubs in the country were constantly getting hammered when in the knock out stages of competitions they would be out on their backsides. This is not good enough for Warwickshire.

meashambear wrote:

ExiledBrummie wrote:

Not just the management etc, I do wonder if some of our players are just not as good as we think they are. For example, Hain aside would you ever trust any of our batters in a tough situation? We need better quality/attitude.

Yes, I agree but that too comes down to the management as it is them that recruit & hand out the contracts. Cricket has a much smaller pool of players and clubs than football but if the coach & DOF (and therefore should know the players characters well enough)at one of the biggest clubs in the country were constantly getting hammered when in the knock out stages of competitions they would be out on their backsides. This is not good enough for Warwickshire.

Agreed.

I think we just need to stop losing the toss to be honest.

I just hope Gloucs win today as otherwise I am going to have a very long leg !!!

Robinson has taken us as far as he can I'm afraid. He needs to go at the end of the season. I would also jettison Rhodes and bring in a quality middle order batsman who can captain.

meashambear wrote:

ExiledBrummie wrote:

Not just the management etc, I do wonder if some of our players are just not as good as we think they are. For example, Hain aside would you ever trust any of our batters in a tough situation? We need better quality/attitude.

Yes, I agree but that too comes down to the management as it is them that recruit & hand out the contracts. Cricket has a much smaller pool of players and clubs than football but if the coach & DOF (and therefore should know the players characters well enough)at one of the biggest clubs in the country were constantly getting hammered when in the knock out stages of competitions they would be out on their backsides. This is not good enough for Warwickshire.

Bears fans deserve better. We are a test match ground county and are always outbid on the recruitment front by the likes of Notts and Surrey.

As if it wasn't bad enough for Barker to start the rot setting in, but to have a second rate spinner like Dawson taking 7 is just poor in the extreme. And before anyone comes on here to say how good Dawson is, just put it this way, if he was a good bowler, he would have replaced Leach in the Test squad instead of Moeen Ali. Glad I didn't take a 'Sickie'.

KingofSpain wrote:

meashambear wrote:

ExiledBrummie wrote:

Not just the management etc, I do wonder if some of our players are just not as good as we think they are. For example, Hain aside would you ever trust any of our batters in a tough situation? We need better quality/attitude.

Yes, I agree but that too comes down to the management as it is them that recruit & hand out the contracts. Cricket has a much smaller pool of players and clubs than football but if the coach & DOF (and therefore should know the players characters well enough)at one of the biggest clubs in the country were constantly getting hammered when in the knock out stages of competitions they would be out on their backsides. This is not good enough for Warwickshire.

Bears fans deserve better. We are a test match ground county and are always outbid on the recruitment front by the likes of Notts and Surrey.

And I bet we've had more success than both in the past 10 years. How do you know we get "outbid" for the players those counties recruit? Do we really want to be poachers like Notts?

How bad was that! Absolutely thrashed at home! All that effort in the group stage wasted.

A total of 45 overs bowled in the match. That shows just how bad this performance was.

Andy wrote:

KingofSpain wrote:

meashambear wrote:

ExiledBrummie wrote:

Not just the management etc, I do wonder if some of our players are just not as good as we think they are. For example, Hain aside would you ever trust any of our batters in a tough situation? We need better quality/attitude.

Yes, I agree but that too comes down to the management as it is them that recruit & hand out the contracts. Cricket has a much smaller pool of players and clubs than football but if the coach & DOF (and therefore should know the players characters well enough)at one of the biggest clubs in the country were constantly getting hammered when in the knock out stages of competitions they would be out on their backsides. This is not good enough for Warwickshire.

Bears fans deserve better. We are a test match ground county and are always outbid on the recruitment front by the likes of Notts and Surrey.

And I bet we've had more success than both in the past 10 years. How do you know we get "outbid" for the players those counties recruit? Do we really want to be poachers like Notts?

Whenever a good player becomes available and multiple counties are interested, 9 times out of 10 they go elsewhere. I think we should be looking to recruit the best talent, regardless of whether it is defined as "poaching".
It is hardly a badge of honour to have a squad who are classed as 'homegrown' if they continually fail in knockout cricket and don't have that elite winning mentality.
For the record, in the last 10 years Notts have won 4 white ball trophies to Warwickshire's 2. Surrey are about to win their third county championship in 5 years.

Cant recall Surrey having an exceptional amount of white ball success and i think we've won the County Championship twice since Notts last won it. Think Essex have probably had more recent success than both to be fair.

We got Barnard in, other counties were interested. Rushworth got his contract at Durham torn up to come here. Moeen came here, other counties were interested. A very attractive offer got put Saqib Mahmoods way, he chose to stay at Lancs, that ain't on us. All within the past 12 months. We got Alex Davies in the season prior, other counties were in for him.

We recruit heavily in comparison to most other counties and we're still losing cup games so what is it?

We certainly don't have a predominantly "homegrown" squad.

The likes of Pennington, Haynes and Tongue (he'll be on the treatment table a lot, in fact he is right now) being Bears players wouldnt have changed today's result.

I remember back in the early 90s we had become serial chokers in one day cup quarters and semis - although nothing as bad as the last 2 Blast QFs and today's debacle. The catalyst for change was when the Woolmer/Reeve partnership was put in place. We then went on an unprecedented 3 year winning streak which has never been bettered. For me the Robinson/Rhodes/Davies axis just isn't getting the best from the players. I've been to 6 ODC games this year and always felt that the batting was flaky and prone to collapse and that certain bowlers just keep repeating the same errors hoping for different results- Einstein's definition of madness. I'm not a knee jerk "let's get rid" type supporter but it's been 8 summers since we last won a one day trophy. The CC & BWT wins in 2021 we're great but we simply haven't moved forward since then. Ask yourself what a Sam Hain-less team would be like and I suspect you'd be pretty pessimistic. Time for a change.

Can't sugar-coat that performance, it was awful.

If it was the first time you could and probably should let it go. It's happened more than once now and whilst we can't forget we've done well in the group stage, it's not enough to regularly choke at knockout stage.

Difficult to call for a change of captaincy as I think the only way we could do this is through an outside recruit..let's see

It is not just that we have lost these key games when we need to see players step up.

If we lost tight games and took the games into the last overs or had the opposition 8 or 9 wickets down then it could just be a case of getting to the first final to show we can do it.

We have been demolished every time, twice recently by Hants (maybe 3 times?) who are full of average cricketers but know how to perform when it matters. I will bet that they were supremely confident that we would fold today under any kind of pressure. Rhodes is a decent batsmen but we need a captain who is determined to drag every last ounce out of the players when it matters.......he seems too nice to me.

Coaching team to go as soon as. Gillespie always struck me as someone who got the best out of players........I dont know enough about him or other candidates but a no nonsense speaking coach who only wants a winning mentality is needed.